Thread: What Would It Take for Donald Trump to Deport 11 Million and Build a Wall?

Originally Posted by MontereySherry

There are a lot of issues and concerns and I think we should be able to bring them up as we think of them. We cannot rely on the media or hope to understand how to solve this problem without dialogue from everyone. We all have valid ideas and through our varied knowledge and experiences we can only learn.

I agree.

There is no federal law that bars state and local law enforcement from enforcing US immigration law, MW. Why do you keep saying that?

In other words a bill will have to be passed and signed into law that will make ALL law enforcement agencies responsible for the active enforcement of immigration law.

I don't want such a bill. I would only want a bill if one is needed that acknowledges and thus authorizes the rights of states to enforce US immigration law. I don't want the federal government involved with state and local law enforcement on a must do basis. States still have the right not to participate if they don't want to. That is their constitutional prerogative. In those instances, the federal government would handle it perhaps with some state and local law enforcement agencies, but perhaps not all. I really feel like they all will want to get involved on a voluntary basis and help our country solve this problem once and for all, even the hard core pro-illegal alien areas like California. California will need federal support anyway because of the high potential for protests and riots.

That said, I also think the federal government has corruption cases against state and local officials for harboring, aiding and abetting illegal aliens in ways that violate US immigration and other federal laws. Those officials should be investigated and prosecuted as legally appropriate for being on the take with the drug cartels and other international criminal organizations, foreign interests and foreign governments behind this illegal immigration disaster.

Immigration Law Enforcement by State and Local Police

With the failure of the 110th Congress to reform our immigration laws, America continues to be burdened with a broken immigration system. Across the country, states and localities are grappling with the problem of illegal immigration. Scores of communities are considering the role their police department might play in helping the federal government enforce immigration laws.

Jurisdiction Over Immigration

The Constitution gives the federal government the duty of setting and administering immigration policy. Federal legislators set U.S. immigration policy, and federal agencies administer immigrant admissions and removals.

As to the enforcement of immigration laws, it has historically been the case that state and local police do not have the authority to enforce federal civil immigration laws.

While state and local police have often worked with federal agents on criminal matters, they have generally steered clear of the enforcement of administrative/civil immigration laws.

The Law, and Authority to Enforce it, is a Complex Matter

Immigration law is extremely complex, and is constantly changing. There are criminal and civil violations of immigration law. Civil violations include, for example, illegal presence and failure to depart after the expiration of a temporary visa. Criminal violations include illegal entry, re-entry after deportation, and failure to depart after an order of removal. To make matters more complicated, those in this last category are committing a criminal offense only if the government can show that they “willfully” failed to depart; but most removal orders are entered in absentia. If failure to depart is not “willful” (if, for example, the person was not aware that there was a removal order entered against them), the offense is a civil violation.

At the federal level, there are conflicting signals as to whether state and local police have the authority to arrest persons for violations of immigration law. A published 1996 Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel memo states that local police have the authority to arrest persons only for criminal immigration violations.

A 2002 unreleased memo from the same office states that police have the authority to make arrests for criminal and civil violations.Still more complication is added with the overlay of state and local ordinances. Some states and localities authorize the enforcement of immigration laws, others do not authorize it, and some prohibit their police agencies from enforcing immigration laws.

Enforcement of such complex and ever-changing laws requires not only weeks of training and continuing education, but knowledge of case histories and files that only the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has.

Attempts to enforce immigration laws have made local police vulnerable to civil rights lawsuits, particularly when they arrest someone who is not undocumented or use racial profiling to determine who to scrutinize...

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sit...lice-08-07.pdf

I follow the illegals blogs to know what they are thinking. The common thread is that if DACA is taken away from them that many will self deport. I thought Romney was nuts when he kept saying he would make them all self deport, but I am beginning to believe that there are ways to make a lot of them leave our country.

All of these activist groups have convinced them that they are entitled. They encourage illegal aliens to protest, riot and make demands. I think a lot of these activist groups are really in it for the money. We need to cut off all the money they are receiving from our government. They should also be investigated for anti American actions and for inciting riots, etc. Any illegal alien rioting or protesting should be arrested and automatically deported.

Any child or adult living in a home with illegal aliens should not be receiving welfare, especially food stamps. I know there was a time when Social Services investigated everyone getting welfare or food stamps and if there were adults living in the home that were not qualified to get food stamps, nobody could get them.

We should start enforcing all the laws already on the books. No DL, no instate tuition and I think the biggest one is we have to turn off the anchor baby system. I really think if we cracked down, started enforcing the laws and taking away all the freebies they would leave.

Originally Posted by Judy

There is no federal law that bars state and local law enforcement from enforcing US immigration law, MW. Why do you keep saying that?



I don't want such a bill. I would only want a bill if one is needed that acknowledges and thus authorizes the rights of states to enforce US immigration law. I don't want the federal government involved with state and local law enforcement on a must do basis. States still have the right not to participate if they don't want to. That is their constitutional prerogative. In those instances, the federal government would handle it perhaps with some state and local law enforcement agencies, but perhaps not all. I really feel like they all will want to get involved on a voluntary basis and help our country solve this problem once and for all, even the hard core pro-illegal alien areas like California. California will need federal support anyway because of the high potential for protests and riots.

That said, I also think the federal government has corruption cases against state and local officials for harboring, aiding and abetting illegal aliens in ways that violate US immigration and other federal laws. Those officials should be investigated and prosecuted as legally appropriate for being on the take with the drug cartels and other international criminal organizations, foreign interests and foreign governments behind this illegal immigration disaster.

It's almost impossible to make a point with you because you absolutely refuse to see the big picture for what it is. Once again, liberal states, counties, and cities will not fully participate or enforce immigration law as you'd like (apprehend illegals for being illegal) unless there is a law in place that forces them to do so. That is a fact that shouldn't be difficult to understand. This is less about what they can do and more about what they won't do.

Then that's what we pay DHS $64 billion a year to do. I have no problem with the federal government doing its job. I also believe the best way for states, cities, counties and Americans to enforce US immigration law is to call upon their own state and local law enforcement to enforce immigration law because they are best suited to do so, because they know who they are, where they are and what they're doing which is violating far more laws than just immigration law. There's a bill in Congress to acknowledge and authorize states and local law enforcement to do this. This issue hasn't been the failure of state and local law enforcement doing this, the issue has been they have been harassed, hounded, threatened and often blocked by the federal government for doing so.

I say cut 'em loose to do their jobs and I believe Trump will do that. I also believe Trump will have a federal deportation force that will fill in whatever gaps that occur due to "liberal" officials who aren't interested in getting involved for whatever reason. I also believe that is suspicious and the top dogs involved in that resistance should be investigated for corruption and harboring, aiding and abetting illegal aliens as the circumstances and facts may warrant.

state and local police do not have the authority to enforce federal civil immigration laws.

It used to be that if a PO had reason to ask for ID & if w/o papers that show how he is legally in the country, the PO called INS and they took it from there. It used to be a done deal.

It was also a big deal for anyone wanting citizenship, they had to work hard to obtain and took a while - background checks, family associations, your record etc. No mass DACA, DAPA, UAC, WET FT DRY FT (the reason O went to cuba was to initiate this border surge with them & encouraged UAC activity too).

Then when bush opened the border, POs were not allowed to ask @ citizenship. So local POs, but the mandate came down from fed gov't initially. O had them step it up to "sanctuary city". They will cooperate if Mr Trump sets the rules down which are already written by law or he will figure out consequences. They are breaking the law.

We have to go back to having a real INS combined with an ICE allowed to function. INS used to have a hot line to report illegals, then the line became always busy. That comes down from the top - that will be gone if Trump is elected. City, state, federal do connect - it is called cooperation.

We used to have a system that had checks and balances to keep our country safe. They removed all of that to allow the flood of illegals to be here, working, reproducing.

Exactly, artist. It was a "done deal". States and local law enforcement have always enforced US immigration law until suddenly one day they were blocked or prevented from doing so by the federal government.

It has been my experience that the laws only become“complicated” when politicians do not want to do something. It is amazing how fast and easy it is to do something when the politicians want to do it. Remember recently how congress voted to pass legislation even though no one had read the bills?

Get Trump in the White House and a few more good people in congress and see how fast things will turn around for the better.

Exactly 17patri76. We've been bamboozled by Congress for what seems like a really long time now.