Thread: What is Wrong with Me? I Should Become Illegal!

I am tired of feeling used and mistreated by illegals so I'm just going to become one so I can get a piece of the pie. I figured it all out. I'm going to thow away my driver's license and SS Card and act like an illegal.

I'm going to go get my food stamps today, HUD home, free medical at the clinic and head for the SS office to claim all my lost benefits.

What else do I need to apply for, since I don't know how to be illegal. I'm so accustom to paying for me and them. I don't have to pay taxes now!!!!! Wooo Hooo! I feel like an American and liberated too!

Dixie

You can't carry auto insurance either!

Cool! That's $100 more a month that I can spend on boose and waxing my truck.

Dixie

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Cool! That's $100 more a month that I can spend on boose and waxing my truck

Plus x-tra for all those sexy unders you'll need to keep those bambinos comming.

Yep, I told my girls that I thought I must have raised them wrong. They were stunned. I told them that I raised them to have a strong work ethic, to obey the law, to be 'good citizens' and the only right thing I did, was to teach them that if they didn't think something in gov't was right, to get involved politically and work to change it. Thank God I inculcated that last part.

I forgot the best part! I don't have to pay for my children's birth, medical expenses or college tuition!!!! Man, now what can I buy? More boose, a new loud stero for the yard and a new pit bull dog to guard it.

I'm good to go! I already have a voter's registration card.

Dixie

Dixie, i think you have got a great idea with this! We could start a Legitmately Entitled Ex-American Can Haves: LEECH. So once we have expressed our rights of being legitimately ( oops, maybe we should find another L word ) entitled to EVERYTHING as ex Americans we become can haves and therefore are entitled to live life as a LEECH on the American way of life. Sounds great to me!
Gotta remember to have room in your uninsured car to smuggle drugs in too ( ok, so maybe the ones I would want to smuggle might be for seniors heh heh )...

Absolutly now wouldn't that be the life!? Get caught and that's no sweat coz you just get a new ID......could for the kids and collect double! The NEW American Dream!

You could actually do this if you're serious. You simply expatriate to another country (and there are LOTS of Americans doing so believe it or not. see http://www.escapeartist.com and the web site for the Sovereign Society) and then come back as an illegal alien. Under Bay Buchanan's amendment, that would have already fulfilled the requirement that you leave and then come back to receive the associated benefits (ergo, you can then get your US citizenship BACK).

You simply expatriate to another country

I've thought about this before. I could go to Canada, go to the U.S. embassy there, renounce my citizenship, then come back home. Find a cash paying job, get free health care, food stamps, no taxes. What a fool I've been all these years, doing the right way!

Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship

A. THE IMMIGRATION & NATIONALITY ACT

Section 349(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) is the section of law that governs the ability of a United States citizen to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship. That section of law provides for the loss of nationality by voluntarily performing the following act with the intent to relinquish his or her U.S. nationality:

"(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state , in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State" (emphasis added).


B. ELEMENTS OF RENUNCIATION

A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:

appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate); and
sign an oath of renunciation

Renunciations that do not meet the conditions described above have no legal effect. Because of the provisions of section 349(a)(5), Americans cannot effectively renounce their citizenship by mail, through an agent, or while in the United States. In fact, U.S. courts have held certain attempts to renounce U.S. citizenship to be ineffective on a variety of grounds, as discussed below.

C. REQUIREMENT - RENOUNCE ALL RIGHTS AND PRIVILEGES

In the recent case of Colon v. U.S. Department of State , 2 F.Supp.2d 43 (199, plaintiff was a United States citizen and resident of Puerto Rico, who executed an oath of renunciation before a consular officer at the U.S. Embassy in Santo Domingo. The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia rejected Colon’s petition for a writ of mandamus directing the Secretary of State to approve a Certificate of Loss of Nationality in the case because the plaintiff wanted to retain one of the primary benefits of U.S. citizenship while claiming he was not a U.S. citizen. The Court described the plaintiff as a person, "claiming to renounce all rights and privileges of United States citizenship, [while] Plaintiff wants to continue to exercise one of the fundamental rights of citizenship, namely to travel freely throughout the world and when he wants to, return and reside in the United States." See also Jose Fufi Santori v. United States of America , 1994 U.S. App. LEXIS 16299 (1994) for a similar case.

A person who wants to renounce U.S. citizenship cannot decide to retain some of the privileges of citizenship, as this would be logically inconsistent with the concept of citizenship. Thus, such a person can be said to lack a full understanding of renouncing citizenship and/or lack the necessary intent to renounce citizenship, and the Department of State will not approve a loss of citizenship in such instances.

D. DUAL NATIONALITY / STATELESSNESS

Persons intending to renounce U.S. citizenship should be aware that, unless they already possess a foreign nationality, they may be rendered stateless and, thus, lack the protection of any government. They may also have difficulty traveling as they may not be entitled to a passport from any country. Even if they were not stateless, they would still be required to obtain a visa to travel to the United States, or show that they are eligible for admission pursuant to the terms of the Visa Waiver Pilot Program (VWPP). If found ineligible for a visa or the VWPP to come to the U.S., a renunciant, under certain circumstances, could be permanently barred from entering the United States. Nonetheless, renunciation of U.S. citizenship may not prevent a foreign country from deporting that individual back to the United States in some non-citizen status.

E. TAX & MILITARY OBLIGATIONS /NO ESCAPE FROM PROSECUTION

Also, persons who wish to renounce U.S. citizenship should also be aware that the fact that a person has renounced U.S. citizenship may have no effect whatsoever on his or her U.S. tax or military service obligations (contact the Internal Revenue Service or U.S. Selective Service for more information). In addition, the act of renouncing U.S. citizenship will not allow persons to avoid possible prosecution for crimes which they may have committed in the United States, or escape the repayment of financial obligations previously incurred in the United States.

F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN

Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship. United States common law establishes an arbitrary limit of age fourteen under which a child’s understanding must be established by substantial evidence.

G. IRREVOCABILITY OF RENUNCIATION

Finally, those contemplating a renunciation of U.S. citizenship should understand that the act is irrevocable, except as provided in section 351 of the INA, and cannot be canceled or set aside absent successful administrative or judicial appeal. (Section 351(b) of the INA provides that an applicant who renounced his or her U.S. citizenship before the age of eighteen can have that citizenship reinstated if he or she makes that desire known to the Department of State within six months after attaining the age of eighteen. See also Title 22, Code of Federal Regulations, section 50.20).

Renunciation is the most unequivocal way in which a person can manifest an intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Please consider the effects of renouncing U.S. citizenship, described above, before taking this serious and irrevocable action. If you have any further questions regarding this matter, please contact the Director, Office of Policy Review & Interagency Liaison, Bureau of Consular Affairs, U.S. Department of State, Washington, DC 20520.