Thread: What's My Motivation? The Arguments for Immigration Reform

A hailstorm brought the useful life of my mother's roof to an end this summer. An acquaintance of mine came to the house, gave Mom a bid, and left with a deposit check. When his crew arrived a few days later, their appearance shocked my mother. Apparently, she had expected the 2010 counterparts of Archie Bunker and Ralph Kramden. Instead, she had six workers, one of whom could speak English -- sort of.

In a recent American Thinker essay, Christopher Chantrill explored the motivations that might lead a new contractor to hire "undocumented" workers rather than tax-paying, on-the-books, legal workers. By tacking on a 32% surcharge in the form of payroll taxes, our government provides a profound disincentive for small-scale employers to play by the rules.

I understand how money matters can lead a roofing contractor to hire the most recent arrivals from Chiapas rather than the most recent graduates of Rydell High School. That 32% could allow our contractor to underbid the rule-followers by 10% and still pocket a lot more in the way of profits. It's not right, but it is understandable.

Similarly, I can understand the forces that would drive a young man from the rural reaches of Mexico over the Rio Grande and onto that roofing crew. If I had the choice between staying home and earning perhaps $500 a month or heading north and earning double that at minimum wage, I'm pretty sure I'd have my bag packed. That's an understandable motivation as well.

Just as easily, I understand the motivation of people like my mother who take advantage of that lower-paid, off-the-books labor. Mom could have insisted on a strictly legal crew. Had she been able to find such a group, she'd have probably paid at least a 20% premium for the privilege of being proper.

While I understand all of these motivations, I cannot wrap my mind around the motivation of those who want to wave a legislative wand and grant amnesty, citizenship, or some other fast-track benefit to vast numbers of illegals.

One of the most common arguments regarding illegals is that they "work jobs that Americans won't do." With 9% unemployment, we have Americans too good to perform certain honorable trades like roofing? Of course, the people who believe this rubbish have good reason. After all, none of the people with whom they hung out with at Berkeley were interested in roofing. The people who staff the NPR fund drive are not looking for jobs as meat cutters. Nobody at Whole Foods seems to want to be a garment worker. Isn't it obvious that Americans don't want the jobs that these kindly pilgrims have come here to work?

If these people lived near me, they'd know the sheetrock finishers, the carpenters, and other manual laborers who have found their livelihood challenged by immigrants.

Of course, that argument is not a motivation for condoning illegal immigration; it's just a rationale, an excuse. Even if no legal worker wanted to put roofs on houses, does that mean we ought to throw open the borders? There are many things that I do not want to do in my life, but necessity forces me to do them. Perhaps we could find some nice Sudanese people to stand in line at the DMV for us.

Many of the illegal immigrant apologists simultaneously argue for the extension of unemployment benefits. Do these people not realize that the illegal immigrants, most of whom are not generating any money for the unemployment benefit fund, are at the same time generating the need for benefits? Let's say we could magically oust a million illegals, replacing them with a million unemployed legal workers. Even at minimum wage, those million legals would generate nearly a billion dollars in unemployment taxes, while saving perhaps $15 billion in benefits. Plus, these people would be paying FICA taxes and would presumably not be sending big chunks of money out of the country to be spent there. Something tells me that this would be more stimulative than most of what Washington has tried in the past two years.

Another apparent motivation of the amnesty crowd is fairness. In their minds, American citizens have no right to say who can and cannot live, work, and die in this country. I notice that these same people have no problem determining who can and cannot live in whatever home they own or rent. Many of this crowd live in exclusive areas where the impact of illegal immigration is very slight. Their fairness argument, then, seems to only extend so far.

Others are motivated by the notion that America has been built by immigrants. While this is true, it's hardly relevant. The nation has also been built by war, slavery, and environmental excess, but nobody wants to perpetuate those things.

Then there's the family compassion motivation, recently foregrounded in the DREAM Act. While it's nice that somebody is thinking about the children, the people who wring their hands over families being "ripped apart" by deportation seem to miss an obvious fact. When illegal dad is deported but native-born Junior is allowed to stay, the compassion crowd insists that Dad must be allowed to remain the U.S. But can Junior not return home with Dad?

These motivations for immigration leniency are embraced mostly by the left. Not surprisingly, they do not endure much close scrutiny. There are, however, motivations that make a measure of sense, even if we find them distasteful.

There is a political motivation involved for some. In the minds of some Democrats, a few million legalized illegals will be a few million Democrat voters. This is a motivation that, while loathsome, I can understand. The problem is that it just doesn't work. As new voters are minted out of the ranks of the illegals, old labor-oriented voters are pushed away.

Another aspect of the political motivation lies in interest groups. Hispanic groups believe (probably with justification) their power will be enhanced if illegals are made legal. What is good for the organization, however, is not necessarily good for its constituents.

Large corporations embrace the legalizing of the masses, as it increases the labor supply. In recent years, nearly all meat-processing has moved from large cities and union labor to smaller towns and lower-paid immigrant labor. Since the employment of illegal workers is a risk for corporations, the mass "legalizing" of them would simplify the labor market.

In the end, we can see that most of the motivations clung to by the rank-and-file leftist are nonsensical. As is so often the case, these people find themselves cluelessly parroting the arguments of their leaders, while the true motivations remain far from selfless. Perhaps if we could clear away the junk thinking about immigration, like that old roof on my mother's house, we can think clearly and honestly about this issue before the entire house collapses around our ears.

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Good post.

What I see is the jobs that "Americans won't do" is half true which is what gives credit to it. But its a relatively easy fix by looking at simply where the class of worker is right now that would be doing those jobs. Right now we have some on unemployment who refuse to work a lesser job, but in some cases they have a right when compared to a $10 an hour roofing job when they had 15 years in an office as something like a programmer yah that does seem unfair.

However the bigger issue of where our missing minimum wage works is stands with welfare. As long as we pay people to do nothing rather then do those farm jobs, roofing jobs, and so on then they will continue not doing it. End the current welfare state that gives benefits for life pretty much and we'll get our workforce back.

Yeah, and watch what the hard working poor little illegals do when they start
enforcing our laws, these same illegals will start swan diving off roofs, which some already have to get the pot of Gold. We were forced out by these law breakers and my son and the blackman who's worked side by side with me for 11 yrs. and I are all living proof of this lie! Here you want to see a job a illegal won't do, this summer when you're at the park and the guy who pulls up to clean the porta pods out he's either black or white, those guys are my Hero's. I'm sick of this, I'm ready to leave this country and move to Missouri! All the people hiring them get a free pass, just like the illegals themselves! They and their illegal employees can all rot in fn hell! If this bothers you do like I've been doing since I've came here and that is request a form from your local IRS office, take down the name of the company, Type the city you live in google map, type in roofing or what ever, take down their info. And send your concerns to the local IRS office. It works slowly but it does work! I'm at the point where I'm ready to turn my back on my own country because they turned their back on me along time ago! This country SUCKS! Merry ****ing Christmas! I wish I'd of never read this, American Thinker you think just like most of America piss off!

My husband has worked in residential construction for the past 20 years, after being honorably discharged from the US Marine Corp. He worked together with his uncle and his cousins and they did very fine work and worked hard. Over the past year, in this recession, there has been little to no work available for them because illegal aliens are now running their own businesses , with their own work trucks, tools, and of course, their own illegal alien employees.
These are not jobs Americans wont do; they did them and would do them again if they only could!

I refuse to allow a spanish speaking person in my house or on my property. When I hire work to be done I make sure they are Americans. I tell companies UP FRONT what I will and won't allow and remind them that I will ask for ID's of dubious emplyees and will not hesitate to call ICE.

Too few people when hiring work to be done lay down the law to contractors like they should.

"Thank you judyweller, you are my Hero, and believe me when I say that is a very short list!"

I understand the motivation of the illegals and the employers who hire illegals just fine, but I still wouldn't do what they do because it's illegal and wrong. I understand the motivation of the bank robber and the burglar too, but I wouldn't do what they do because it's illegal and wrong.

Just because someone has a strong, easily understood, motivation to do something, doesn't mean they should do it. If what they are motivated to do is wrong and/or illegal, they should NOT do it. It's called obeying the law, which is required in civilized societies. If someone doesn't obey the law they are punished, not rewarded, as the ammesty (DREAM Act) rabble wants to do for the illegals.

If people in Mexico feel they are not paid enough or they are unhappy about whatever condition there, they either need to emigrate to the USA legally, or they need to work for change AT HOME IN MEXICO, not sneak across the border illegally and steal jobs and benefits from legal US citizens.

Originally Posted by judyweller

I refuse to allow a spanish speaking person in my house or on my property. When I hire work to be done I make sure they are Americans. I tell companies UP FRONT what I will and won't allow and remind them that I will ask for ID's of dubious emplyees and will not hesitate to call ICE.

Too few people when hiring work to be done lay down the law to contractors like they should.

I'm with you. Aside from being the right thing to do, there is a huge difference in quality between Americans and illegals. I don't want illegals in my house and I don't want their inferior work.

ReggieMay, Mark Browning's article is one of the very best I've ever seen. He does a great job of showing how running our economy for the convenience of business owners marginalizes American citizens in their own country.

Democrats were clobbered in the Congressional elections, because they refused to listen to the increasing anxiety of Americans. Repubs used to be Open Borders, Come And Get It, but it looks like Lamar Smith's focus on E-Verify and workplace enforcement may begin to turn the tide in the direction of forming public policy for the benefit of our own people.

Employed men make better husbands and fathers. That promotes stable communities where people believe that their government is working for them. This is not rocket science.
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Originally Posted by stevetheroofer

"Thank you judyweller, you are my Hero, and believe me when I say that is a very short list!"

I am always amazed that people think that they have to put up with what ever a contractor sends you. Remember you are doing them a favor HIRING THEM - so make demands on them. Don't be afraid to send what you consider a dishonest employee home and call the contractor. REMEMBER YOU ARE PAYING FOR THIS - YOU ARE THE BOSS!!