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    by AWR HAWKINS20 Sep 20152,347

    During a September 20 appearance on NBC’s Meet The PressRepublican presidential hopeful Ben Carson spoke against a Muslim holding the office of the President of the United States.

    In 1772, Founding Father Samuel Adams laid down limits to religious tolerance that also would have prevented a Muslim from being president by refusing any toleration of Islam in the first place.

    According to The Hill, Carson said, “I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not agree with that.” Carson’s words come in the wake of a media backlash against Donald Trump for not defending Muslims–or speaking up for Obama’s faith–after a questioner at a September 17 town hall meeting asked Trump what he was going to do about the Muslim “problem” in America and suggested that Obama is a Muslim.

    Although Carson does not believe a Muslim should be president, he says he would not have a problem with a Muslim being a member of Congress under the right conditions. Carson said, “It depends on who that Muslim is and what their policies are, just as it depends on what anybody else says, you know.”

    It is interesting to note that in 1772 Sam Adams wrote “The Rights of the Colonists,” through which he set forth a litmus test for religions that could be tolerated under the new government colonists would form. Adams’ litmus test rules out theocracies like Islam.

    Hanover College published “The Rights of the Colonists,” in which Adams wrote:

    In regard to religion, mutual toleration in the different professions thereof is what all good and candid minds in all ages have ever practised, and, both by precept and example, inculcated on mankind. And it is now generally agreed among Christians that this spirit of toleration, in the fullest extent consistent with the being of civil society, is the chief characteristical mark of the Church. Insomuch that Mr. Locke has asserted and proved, beyond the possibility of contradiction on any solid ground, that such toleration ought to be extended to all whose doctrines are not subversive of society. The only sects which he thinks ought to be, and which by all wise laws are excluded from such toleration, are those who teach doctrines subversive of the civil government under which they live.

    So Adams sets forth a test for ascertaining which religions should be tolerated and that test is whether the “doctrines”–or teachings–of a given religion are “subversive of society.” Adams contended that religions “are excluded from… toleration” when they “teach doctrines subversive of the civil government.”

    One would think of the Muslim tendency to seek sharia law and sharia-compliant courts instead of laws and courts affiliated with constitutionally recognized jurisprudence. It would follow that one would presume the theocratic nature of Islam, whereby every facet of life–including matters of civil governance–are co-opted as part of the religion.

    Theocracies can tend toward fascism, and although Adams did not employ such a term in opposing toleration for religions “subversive of the civil government,” he certainly made the same point.

    At the time of Adams’ writing, he called the Roman Catholic religion by name, suggesting practitioners of that faith forfeited toleration due to “such doctrines as these, that princes excommunicated may be deposed, and those that they call heretics may be destroyed without mercy; besides their recognizing the Pope in so absolute a manner, in subversion of government.”

    We do not see the Roman Catholic church destroying those “they call heretics… without mercy” in our day. But it is common to find examples of Muslims demanding that infidels convert to Islam or face death. And they do so with an allegiance to Muhammad that both supersedes and defines their allegiance to civil government.

    While Ben Carson opposes the idea of having a Muslim for president, Sam Adams would have opposed toleration for the Muslim faith in general.

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    I doubt that Samuel Adams would be happy with the Catholic Church's involvement in trying to undermine our laws to fill their pews either. JMO
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    by ROBERT WILDE20 Sep 201563

    Frank Gaffney, founder and President of the Center for Security Policy in Washington D.C., defended 2016 presidential hopeful Dr. Ben Carson for saying Sunday on Meet The Press that he “would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation.”

    Appearing on Breitbart News Sunday on Sirius XM Patriot Radio, channel 125, the former Assistant Secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration first defended Donald Trump. He asserted, “It is not anybody’s duty to opine, define or defend what the president’s religious beliefs are.”

    “What does matter,” said Gaffney, “and what is our moral duty to address, are the policies that the president is pursuing.”

    Gaffney, a man that Breitbart News’s Executive Chairman StephenK. Bannon and host of BNS called an expert on everything Jihadist, said, “Sadly the president’s policies aren’t much different than those policies that a sharia adherent Muslim would espouse in terms of advancing an Islamic supremacist program.”

    The holder of a Master of Arts degree in International Studies from the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies, Gaffney recounted that “Whether it’s with the Muslim Brotherhood, or emboldening the Taliban, giving a pass to Boko Haram, not pursuing effectively operations against Islamic State; whether it’s giving Iran the Nuclear Bomb, and $150 Billion to boot, I don’t know what Obama would be doing if he were a Muslim that he is not doing right now.”

    Gaffney believes that Obama’s policies should be the “subject of very concerted debate.” He is hoping that what Dr. Ben Carson did on Sunday with his comments brings to light the fact that a president can not “uphold, defend and support the constitution of the United States” and adhere to Sharia Law. “It cannot be done. Because Sharia says, ‘No it’s not the Constitution of the United States that must govern. It is God’s law. It is Sharia. It is this repressive totalitarian, misogynistic program that must govern.’”

    Adherence to the Sharia is completely antithetical to the Constitution, Gaffney argues, and he asserts that it should disqualify one from being president of the United States.

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    Ben Carson: ‘The money’s been coming in so fast, it’s hard to even keep up with’

    Ben Carson: ‘The money’s been coming in so fast, it’s hard to even keep up with’

    By David Sherfinski - The Washington Times - Wednesday, September 23, 2015

    Retired neurosurgeon and 2016 GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson said Wednesday the fundraising dollars have been flowing in, as a super PAC supporting his candidacy reported a surge in donations since his remarks Sunday about whether he would support a Muslim for president.

    "I mean, the money's been coming in so fast, it's hard to even keep up with," Mr. Carson said on "Fox and Friends." "I remember the day of the last debate, within 24 hours we had raised a million dollars, and it's coming in at least at that rate, if not quite a bit faster."

    The show also played clips of people criticizing Mr. Carson for his remarks.

    "My reaction to anyone is that I never said that a person could not run for office. I just said I wouldn't support them," he said. "Do I not have a right to support what I want to support?"

    On NBC's "Meet the Press," Mr. Carson, a Seventh-day Adventist, had said he would not advocate that a Muslim serve as president, but he has also said he would be willing to support anyone as long as they put America and the U.S. Constitution ahead of their religious beliefs.

    "I want to support what made this nation great and what made us unique," he said. "I want to support the things that gave me an opportunity to come from nowhere to rise to a very high position in our society. I want that for the people who are coming after us," he said. "You know, I have been a pediatric neurosurgeon. I care about what happens in terms of the quality of life for the next generation. I will continue to fight for that and if it costs me politically, it does."
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