Thread: Bankers try to shoot down OKLA bill

This article has more holes than Swiss cheese.
I call this article " NAU sleeper cells "
Kendra
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Study: Immigration law could have negative impact
James Coburn and Courtney Bryce
The Edmond Sun, Edmond, Oklahoma~March 28, 2008

EDMOND— Four opinionated economists met at the University of Central Oklahoma to share their views Thursday about the economic impact of Oklahoma’s immigration policy in wake of state House Bill 1804. Illegal immigration has created heated opinions and rhetoric in Oklahoma.
State Rep. Randy Terrill, R-Moore, authored the state’s anti-illegal immigration bill that was signed into law in 2007 by Gov. Brad Henry. The bill took effect Nov. 1 and makes it a crime to knowingly hire, house or transport illegal immigrants.
“What I want us to do is shed some light on this issue, not to really avoid controversy or controversial statements, but to help us understand what’s going on and the consequences for our city, our state and our nation,â€

I got the above article with this comment. My response will follow it. k

"This recent article describes what I consider to be a very reasonable approach to our country's current struggles with immigration. This hot-button issue is largely rooted in a nationalist ideology (often moving towards racism). Historically, strong nationalistic tendencies have rarely led to anything but war, mayhem and destruction. In South Carolina, it would be very hard to take a moderate view on this issue, but do keep in mind that there are many people (including many small business owners) who will respect someone who acknowledges the complexity of this issue. It is VERY difficult to become a legal, documented immigrant to this country. I have a good friend who came here from Canada who has not been able to get a green card after five years of trying. She is an architect and her children are honor students in the public school system."

And so the fight rages on. Should we as Americans sell America to the highest bidder? Face it America, we cannot have a NAU without your support. We will starve you unless you submit. Sell us America and your oh so dear Constitution.

How much will the state of Oklahoma fetch on the auction block?

How much will your state fetch on the auction block?

Evie,

Are you supporting the next step of NAFTA? Are you really saying patriots are xenophobes?

Amnesty propnents are desperate to discredit these well thought out bills that are passing in states with the nerve to fight the beast.

Aliens aren't supposed to be here according to US Code of law Section 8.
The Constitution does not allow non-citizens to take advantage of citizens for economic gain. The core of the document is not money. It is about freedom and opportunity for those who play by the rules.

Why aren't there pre-H1804 (OK) economic impact numbers? The state and federal gov'ment refuse(s) to release actual figures on the costs of public services used by illegal aliens. It remains a net loss to taxpayers but not the international corporations. If we include depressed American wages and the millions of tradesmen put out of business, we have a crisis.

This article is very one sided. Gov'ment, bankers, and the media are out of touch, slanted toward globalism and via the Hatch Act, many are censored by limitations in commentary.

This is the kind of article you would expect from a banking economic study. The economy is in dire straits and NO ONE openly acknowledges the billions of dollars spent on aliens, alien services, and peripheral consequences such as 60,000 residents killed by aliens since 9-11. And lest I ask 'what about our sovereignty'?

America first. Chamberesque bankers and lobbiests should work with vocational schools to train the 40-50% dropout group if they really want to help someone. But NO, let's ignor that demographic because it is shameful to look at. Perhaps that generation of students have been sacrificed to the NAFTA God.

Continued disregard for the law will lead to more gang presence, more drug and forgery activity and an increasing low socio-economic and undereducated populace. Some people say, well if it wasn't illegal, they wouldn't be breaking the law! Well in that case, let's make home robbery legal because I have neighbors that have stuff I might want.

Why can't your Canadian friend get into the USA? Rather answer my question:
Why is that we have an immigration quota that is overfilled annually which pointedly excludes many educated Europeans, Canadians and Eastern Europeans? ...people who would contribute to America? We tolerate droves foreigners who wander our cities with no skills or idea of their intentions. Who can deny the criminal element of the illegal invasion?

One example: NAFTA sacrificed 1 million Mexican farmers right out of business. Of course they are coming north. This cycle of hurting the little people to benefit the big people must stop on both sides of the border. And YES we need borders for secure and growing economic prosperity.

Lawless acts by citizens are increasing because they see opportunities to take advantage of situations and people's tolerance to other broken laws.This is anitamerican to the core. We are supposed to be civilized and law abiding citizens working toward a better America.

DON'T TREAD ON ME.
Or should I say to the bankers GET BEHIND ME SATAN!.

Kendra

This seems to be a common occurence with open borders advocates, in this particular case, economists. All of the arguments presented in that article, for the most part attempted to react to the legislation as an economic problem. As if the decision was made to punish businesses who hire illegal aliens because they wanted to improve economic conditions. The reality, the cold hard reality that is often skipped is that this legislation came into existence as a result of a lack of federal governmental enforcement of existing laws. The question that should have been placed to the panel was whether theoretical economic arguments should trump the rule of law. But that's not even a piece of the greater point here. The figures from which these opinionated extremists are about as misleading as they can be. The model for their economic analysis simple lays out the must mundane of what ifs. Their main argument states that right now, if 90000 workers left Oklahoma then there would be $x dollars lost as a result of the void they left. That is like stating "if drug crimes were irradicated tommorrow then the economic fallout caused by the lack of jobs in the drug treatment, drug prevention, criminal prosecution and defense industry, police salaries and the drugs themsleves would be devestating." To continue to indulge this economic argument for a little longer, evidence shows that jobs will be filled, it has shown this continuously everytime. The impact the illegals had on the economy, as in disposable income and local spending was miniscule and minimal. The remittances of illegals back to Mexico was astronomical and their impact on the social welfare system of OK was/is enormous. To even present a model like this is ridiculous, but thats the beauty of socialist/academic economics, they don't have to be grounded in facts, their math is supported by power point presentation pie charts.

But let's approach this corporate/open border reconquista facade step by step.

First off, the economists open their argument with a political statement. Slimed in grandiosity:
[quote]“What I want us to do is shed some light on this issue, not to really avoid controversy or controversial statements, but to help us understand what’s going on and the consequences for our city, our state and our nation,â€

Will be interesting to see what exactly happens come July 1 st when the private sector will be bound by the laws of 1804. So far only the public sector has been affected. There has definitely been a decline in the number of non-English speakers out on the job sites but I don't think it has been as dramatic of a decline as what they have made it out to be, at least here in the OKC area.

Great post Chosen, very well stated.

If more people could learn to quickly identify the emotionally charged hot buttons of fear and greed, then perhaps common sense could start to claw itself up from under the pile of rubble that has been heaped upon it.

Originally Posted by roundabout

Great post Chosen, very well stated.

If more people could learn to quickly identify the emotionally charged hot buttons of fear and greed, then perhaps common sense could start to claw itself up from under the pile of rubble that has been heaped upon it.

I agree. Once I saw this statement:

“In an ideal world, as far as I am concerned, for a competitive market to be truly competitive, we’re not supposed to have any borders,â€

BORDERS between nations are IMPERATIVE for the ESTABLISHMENT and MAINTENANCE of LAW and ORDER. Without borders, there can be ONLY be CHAOS!

Yes. That's always been such a bizarre thing to me. I wonder where these business people think that their ability to do business comes from? It is definitely not in a realm of chaos.