Thread: 15 states, DC sue Trump administration over ending DACA

I don't care who you listen to or what you think. As a former Judge, he should know you can't predetermine the merits or lack thereof of a claim before it's even been made.

Originally Posted by Judy

Yep, they should have announced that it expired. You can't sue an entity for not renewing something, but you can sue them for cancelling something mid-term.

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You can keep telling us that DACA had expired, that does not make it so. I want to see the facts. I am tired of being told what Trump means or what he is doing. I want facts and proof.

Originally Posted by MontereySherry

You can keep telling us that DACA had expired, that does not make it so. I want to see the facts. I am tired of being told what Trump means or what he is doing. I want facts and proof.

I posted all the facts months ago when I heard Sean Spicer say at a White House press conference when asked about DACA by a reporter that the "thinking is we'll let it expire in June". I posted articles, the June 15 2012 initial memorandum signed by Janet Napolitano, the June 5, 2014 memorandum from USCIS that was posted in the Federal Register renewing it for 2 more years, the November 20, 2014 memorandum from Jehnson extending the renewal from 2 years to 3 years which ended the program on June 15, 2017 unless it was renewed again, which would require another posting in the Federal Register. I also posted the link to Judge Hanen's Ruling ordering the DACA 2012 program to remain in effect during the Texas lawsuit.

NC Joins 15 Other States In DACA Lawsuit

Originally Posted by MontereySherry

You can keep telling us that DACA had expired, that does not make it so. I want to see the facts. I am tired of being told what Trump means or what he is doing. I want facts and proof.

You're absolutely right. There never was an actual end-date, expiration date, sunset date, or whatever you want to refer to it as on DACA. Sean Spicer made one fleeting comment about it in a White House news brief once upon a time. Of course there has never been anything else said about it or written that I can find. Sean Spicer either misspoke or was misinformed. JD2 even provided something on here the other day that actually stated there was no end date to DACA.

Trump has always had full authority to cancel the program whenever he wanted to. Of course he unfortunately decided his promise to those poor DACA kids was more important than the promise he made to us, the one who voted him into office.

Oh, and Judge Hanen never did rule that the DACA program couldn't be ended by Trump anytime he wanted to end it. Judy is confusing the actual facts. All he said was he couldn't rule on the issue because it wasn't part of the original lawsuit. However, he did say, point blank, that the program was "most likely" unconstitutional. The lawsuit was on DAPA and the DACA extension (extended work authorizations), not DACA.

Day one was the day to end it in total. No extensions. Trump never wanted to end it and it could be one of the reasons he wanted Jeff Sessions gone as Attorney General. He certainly was upset about the Russia recusal from The Attorney General but DACA could have been a consideration. The threat from the states got the Trump administration to finally move.

It doesn't look good when your president is obsessed with tweeting about his love for illegal aliens. Rather unsettling to read the "heart" for a population hurting those who elected you.

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeach

Day one was the day to end it in total. No extensions. Trump never wanted to end it and it could be one of the reasons he wanted Jeff Sessions gone as Attorney General. He certainly was upset about the Russia recusal from The Attorney General but DACA could have been a consideration. The threat from the states got the Trump administration to finally move.

It doesn't look good when your president is obsessed with tweeting about his love for illegal aliens. Rather unsettling to read the "heart" for a population hurting those who elected you.

Yep, ditto what you said.

Originally Posted by MontereySherry

You can keep telling us that DACA had expired, that does not make it so. I want to see the facts. I am tired of being told what Trump means or what he is doing. I want facts and proof.

How about some facts right from the government?

. . . "DACA was effectuated by the previous administration through executive action, without proper statutory authority and with no established end-date, after Congress' repeated rejection of proposed legislation that would have accomplished a similar result. Such an open-ended circumvention of immigration laws was an unconstitutional exercise of authority by the Executive Branch.” . . .

Memorandum on Rescission Of Deferred Action For Childhood Arrivals (DACA)

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/09/05/...escission-daca

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

How about some facts right from the government?

. . . "DACA was effectuated by the previous administration through executive action, without proper statutory authority and with no established end-date, after Congress' repeated rejection of proposed legislation that would have accomplished a similar result. Such an open-ended circumvention of immigration laws was an unconstitutional exercise of authority by the Executive Branch.” . . .

Memorandum on Rescission Of Deferred Action For Childhood Arrivals (DACA)

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/09/05/...escission-daca

It can't be made any more clear than that!

"DACA was effectuated by the previous administration through executive action, without proper statutory authority and with no established end-date"

"Such an open-ended circumvention of immigration laws"

Now, let's put this silly notion that the DACA program actually had an end-date (expiration) to bed once and for all!