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Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

Nov 3. 2018


What the military can and cannot do at the border
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Troop activities are limited by law


The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 restricts the U.S. military from acting as law enforcement on U.S. soil.


This means troops will not be authorized to "detain immigrants, seize drugs from smugglers or have any direct involvement in stopping" the migrant caravan, the Military Times reports. Instead, troops will "largely mirror that of the existing National Guard" already at the border.
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https://www.axios.com/what-the-milit...c73bf7ea7.html

That is what our globalist military leaders want us to believe. I have posted the article many times about how the The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 does not prevent the military on the border.

If that were true and it did prevent the military on the border then why do we even need a military?

We can protect the North Korea border, but we can't send troops to stop invaders from digging holes and tunneling under to invade our country. As much respect as I have for our military, I am not falling for the BS some of the globalist military leaders are now spewing.

If the military are not allowed to do what is needed, we don't need or want them there filling Easter baskets for the illegals.

Navy and Marines are exempt from the Posse Comitatus Act. So is Coast Guard, also exempt.

Put the Navy and Coast Guard on the Rio Grande. International waters...catch and return to Mexico!

The US is sending 5,000 troops to the border. Here’s what they can and can’t do.


They can fly aircraft and lend support, but they can’t detain anybody — and more may be coming.

By Alex Ward@AlexWardVoxalex.ward@vox.com Updated Oct 31, 2018, 4:23pm EDT


US troops prepare to deploy to the US-Mexico border on October 27, 2018. Staff Sgt. Nathan Akridge/US Department of Defense


President Donald Trump ordered an additional 5,200 troops to “harden” the US-Mexico border before the so-called caravan of migrants from Central America seeking asylum and a new life in the US arrives. The group of about 4,000 migrants from mostly Honduras and Guatemala is currently 1,000 miles and weeks away from the US border.

Senior officials from the Pentagon and the Customs and Border Protection told reporters on Monday that 800 service members are already headed to Texas, with the remaining 4,400arriving over the coming days. And on Wednesday, Trump indicated that the final total of troops may hover between 10,000 and 15,000.

The forces, deployed as part of “Operation Faithful Patriot,” will include military police, pilots, and engineers and will be in the area from November 5 to December 15. The goal is to “harden our ports of entry,” in California, Arizona, and Texas, Customs and Border Protection chief Kevin McAleenan said. Troops mostly will be stationed in bases there for training and deploy to the border when needed.

The current total increases the number of US military personnel at the Southern frontier to roughly 7,000 — about 5,000 more than America has in Syria to fight ISIS and approximately one-third the size of the entire Border Patrol force at the US-Mexico line.

The problem for Trump, though, is that the military won’t actually be able to participate in detaining or deporting any of the migrants the way the president likely wants. That’s because US law forbids them from physically detaining individuals at the border.

So while the troops at the border will be armed, they will only legally be able to assist US border officials by doing things like helping transport border agents and providing emergency medical care to those who need it.

The armed forces can also work to reinforce infrastructure around the border, like putting additional razor wire on border fences.

In other words, while it may be intended to look as if the US is preparing for a massive invasion of immigrants at the Southern border, the reality is that it’s mostly just sending backup logistical support to help border agents address the arrival of a few thousand migrants — around half of whom are girls and women — who have been traveling by foot for weeks over.

Still, Trump is clearly hoping that the military deployment will prove a deterrent to the caravan headed northward. “This is an invasion of our Country and our Military is waiting for you!” he tweeted on Monday morning.

Here’s a short guide on what the military can — and can’t — do at the border.

What the military can do

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen gave a good summary of what US troops are authorized to do.
“What we’ve asked them to do is help to bolster our capabilities,” she told Fox News last Thursday. “We’ve asked for some air support, for some logistics, some planning, vehicle barriers, engineering; ways in which we can make sure that I can protect my officers and agents, as well as the ports of entry themselves.”

Gen. Terrence J. O’Shaughnessy, the head of US Northern Command, told reporters on Monday what that assistance might look like. The military will send:

• Three helicopter companies, with night-vision capabilities, to help Border Patrol officers to reach remote locations quickly
• Four airplanes to transport Border Patrol agents as needed
• Deployable medical units to care for anyone that may needed attention
• 22 miles of concertina wire to reinforce fencing along the border

A Texas National Guard member and a Customs and a Border Protection agent discuss the border security mission on the shores of the Rio Grande River in Starr County, Texas, April 10, 2018. US Department of Defense


While troops will be armed, they can only support Border Patrol agents, not detain anyone (more on that below).

Michael Fisher, the US Border Patrol chief from 2005 to 2010, gave me one example of how the partnership will work.

Some troops will join Entry Identification Teams, which help to spot immigrants as they cross the border. “The military would be somewhere along the border, typically in an elevated location, providing eyes and ears for Border Patrol agents,” Fisher said.

As Vox’s Dara Lind explains, “It is completely legal for anyone on US soil to seek asylum, regardless of whether or not they have papers. People who present themselves for asylum at a port of entry — an official border crossing — break no US law.”

“People who cross between ports of entry are committing a federal misdemeanor,” however, though Lind writes that in even in those cases, “the US government is still required to allow them to pursue an asylum claim.”

It’s the people who may be crossing at an unofficial port of entry that the US border agents — and their US military partners — will likely be on the lookout for.

Border agents will be “in close proximity” to the US troops, but will leave on their own to arrest the spotted migrants. The military won’t be involved in actually detaining any individuals.

The military’s main impact, though, may actually be in their logistical assistance. The National Guard has operated in the US-Mexico border area since the 1990s, and much of what it does is build and repair infrastructure, like roads and the border fence.

The military’s ability to help transport Border Patrol officials around the area in planes and helicopters is also highly valuable, as border enforcement officials don’t have all the necessary equipment. The military can also provide temporary housing and protective gear for agents.

Fisher told me that, in his years of experience, he found the military’s help manning the border to be quite useful, but he added that, if needed, the law enforcement could do the majority of its work without the backup.

What the military can’t do

So why can’t US troops do what Trump wants and arrest immigrants who may be coming across the border illegally? Well, it’s against the law.

The US military is barred from using its capabilities directly to enforce US domestic laws — including immigration laws — unless Congress specifically authorizes it to do so. This measure, known as “posse comitatus,” is why US troops can only support US border agents, but not take direct action themselves.

O’Shaughnessy on Monday said the military will conduct all of its operations at the border “in adherence to posse comitatus.”

The Pentagon will foot the bill for the deployment. It’s unclear how much it will cost, but so far the military paid $185 million to send 2,000 National Guard troops to the border earlier this year.

It’s possible that all of these details will be resolved after all the troops have arrived. But some say the move is simply political.

Trump’s decision is “a misuse of active duty military,” Gil Kerlikowske, a former Customs and Border Protection chief, told the Washington Post on Monday.

“To say this isn’t a political stunt is misleading the public.”

https://www.vox.com/2018/10/29/18026...-trump-caravan

How many Border Patrol agents are assigned to the southern border? Anyone know?

The problem for Trump, though, is that the military won’t actually be able to participate in detaining or deporting any of the migrants the way the president likely wants. That’s because US law forbids them from physically detaining individuals at the border.


What the military can do

The armed forces can also work to reinforce infrastructure around the border, like putting additional razor wire on border fences.

• Three helicopter companies, with night-vision capabilities, to help Border Patrol officers to reach remote locations quickly

Ok---let's say they can't detain and deport. Helicopters with night vision should have been able to detect 350 people digging holes.

They can reinforce infrastructure----when they see 350 people digging holes they could have grabbed the razor wire and strung some on the ground, poured concrete on the ground on the US side where they were digging---done something!

shoulda coulda woulda​


TOP DEFINITION

Meaning that it is of no use to dwell on what should have (shoulda), could have (coulda) or would have (woulda) happened/been done.

Said as an attempt to shorten a discussion that focusses on the past, thus providing no solution to an actual problem.

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

shoulda coulda woulda​


TOP DEFINITION

Meaning that it is of no use to dwell on what should have (shoulda), could have (coulda) or would have (woulda) happened/been done.

Said as an attempt to shorten a discussion that focusses on the past, thus providing no solution to an actual problem.

You have to realize and recognize what causes a problem before you can find a solution.

Our military has equipment and bulldozers.

Bulldoze a one mile buffer zone on the Rio Grande and clear the brush where they hide for the Border Patrol.

Bulldoze deep ditches to prepare for the wall. Use cars from junkyards and stack them 4 high and bury them so they cannot dig under the wall. Build the wall on top! We have millions of cars that can be buried and it will clean up those junkyard lots, they are all over the country.

We have billions of old tires that can be buried UNDER the wall to prevent digging.

CHANGE THE LAWS SO THEY CANNOT TURN THEMSELVES IN AND STAY HERE! PROCESS AND DEPORT THEM WITHIN 48 HOURS!

TERMINATE ASYLUM AND REFUGEE LAWS...PUT THEM IN SAFE ZONE IN THEIR COUNTRIES.

WE CANNOT TAKE IN EVERY PERSON THAT SHOWS UP ON OUR DOORSTEP!