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    Amid GOP immigration, White House tries split--baby plan

    RON FOURNIER

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    PHOENIX - Struggling to pacify his party's warring wings, President Bush is moving toward allowing illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. before February 2004 to qualify for guest-worker visas. People smuggled in after then would be deported.

    State leaders in Arizona and New Mexico have stepped up pressure on the Bush administration and the Republican-led Congress to better police U.S. borders and deal with an estimated 10 million people who are living illegally in this country.

    "They're trying to split the baby," Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said of the White House plan, "and I don't think they can do that."

    Bush and his advisers are caught between their supporters in the business sector, who believe the economy needs those workers, and conservatives whose priority is to clamp down on illegal immigration. The White House hopes to have a detailed proposal to Congress in late September or early October.

    McCain, who ran against Bush for the 2000 GOP nomination and may seek the White House in 2008, is sponsoring a bill with Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., that would create 400,000 three-year visas for guest workers. The legislation has the flexibility to add more in the future and would let undocumented workers stay in the U.S. while they apply.

    A competing plan by Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., would create two-year visas and require that guest workers and illegal immigrants leave the U.S. before they can apply for the chance to work legally in the country.

    Conservative House Republicans tend to favor Kyl's tougher approach. McCain mocks it.

    "Turn yourself in so we can send you back to Mexico," said McCain, throwing his head back in laughter during an interview at his Arizona office last week. "It's not going to happen."

    The White House seems to agree with McCain.

    According to administration and congressional officials who took part in a series of White House meetings this summer, Bush does not favor requiring illegal immigrants to be sent home to apply for the visas.

    In a nod to his conservative base, however, the president has rejected a part of the McCain-Kennedy bill that the White House believes would put illegal immigrants on an automatic track to citizenship, the officials said.

    The officials said it was unclear how many illegal immigrants came after February 2004 or how many later had children in the U.S., conferring U.S. citizenship on those babies. The White House wants to avoid a surge of illegal immigrants who would try to beat a prospective deadline, they said.

    The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the White House has not authorized them to discuss the policy, which is subject to change.

    All sides agree that illegal immigration has become a national security, humanitarian and economic crisis:

    _Intelligence agencies fear terrorists could slip into the U.S. through Mexico.

    _Hundreds of illegal immigrants die each year while trying to enter the U.S. Those who make it often fall prey to criminals and opportunists.

    _From construction companies in Arizona to farmers in the Midwest and California, many industries need those cheap and available workers.

    "Just stop at one of these construction sites and look and see who those workers are. They're all Hispanic," McCain said. "And I bet you they're illegal."

    Depending on how Hispanics react, this fall's immigration debate could help determine whether Democrats or Republicans dominate the fastest-growing voting bloc in years to come.

    The issue threatens to divide Democrats. Affluent, well-educated liberals are embracing immigration as part of cultural diversity. But poor Democrats, including blacks, are wary of Hispanics' growing economic and political clout.

    Democratic Gov. Janet Napolitano of Arizona, who supports the McCain-Kennedy bill, joined Gov. Bill Richardson, D-N.M., this month in declaring immigration emergencies in their states. "We just kept waiting and waiting and waiting but never did see a sense of urgency from Washington," she said.

    Voters are frustrated, too, especially in the Southwest, where illegal immigration is an unsettling fact of life.

    "It's sad to see Democrats doing what Republicans ought to be doing," Danielle Taylor, 24, a Republican voter in Scottsdale, said during a break from her bank job. "Napolitano may have just earned my vote."

    McCain faced tough questions at a town hall meeting Thursday night in Mesa, where conservatives accused him of going soft on illegal immigrants. "No amnesty!" some shouted.

    McCain says his bill does not provide amnesty. Conservatives say no better word describes allowing illegal immigrants to remain in the U.S.

    Bush may face similar criticism. McCain, Napolitano and other supporters of guest workers argue that it is unrealistic to deport 11 million people.

    McCain's bill would require the undocumented workers to register with the government, pay all back taxes and a $2,000 fine, then go through a series of background checks and work at least six years before applying for a green card.

    The senator said he is willing to stiffen those requirements. The White House plan probably will have its own.

    The White House may take the unusual step of writing the legislation or submitting specific language to Congress.

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    It's like hell vomited and the Bush administration appeared.

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    The officials said it was unclear how many illegal immigrants came after February 2004 or how many later had children in the U.S., conferring U.S. citizenship on those babies.The White House wants to avoid a surge of illegal immigrants who would try to beat a prospective deadline, they said.
    Of course it's unclear! They SNEAK in, remember? These illegal invaders have access to expertly forged documents used to obtain drivers licenses, welfare benefits, medicaid, food stamps, section 8 housing! Creating false documents that would indicate an illegal snuck in pre 02/04 would be a comparative cake walk to the forgers!

    On second thought, such "proof" might not even be necessary. That moron in the White House, if true to form, would likely rely on the "honor" system. Then of course, we would watch him publicly praise himself for having stemmed the expected huge surge of invaders (not) when only seven or eight equally moronic illegals confess to having arrived after the deadline.

    NO AMNESTY! NO GUEST WORKER PROGRAM!

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    That moron in the White House, if true to form, would likely rely on the "honor" system. Then of course, could watch him publicly praise himself for having stemmed the expected huge surge of invaders (not) when only seven or eight equally moronic illegals confess to having arrived after the deadline.
    I think you're exactly right, although I wouldn't characterize Bush as a moron here.

    This is pure, cynical politics at its worst. Pretend that you're going to do something, then come up with a "plan" that does nothing at all.

    Even if one buys into this "plan" and believes the Government is sincere about it, you can't ignore that it legalizes the huge number of illegals who broke in before the cutoff date.
    It's like hell vomited and the Bush administration appeared.

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    Count said:
    This is pure, cynical politics at its worst. Pretend that you're going to do something, then come up with a "plan" that does nothing at all.
    We are SO on the same page here, along with most wide awake Americans! I was a bit facitious in my post..and I hope you realized that.

    We are NOT dealing with an American President here. Bush has become a dictator that simply turns a deaf ear to the voices of the American people he swore to lead and protect. This is scary X 10!

    He is DETERMINED to grant amnesty to illegal aliens and, it appears, NOTHING will stop him. NOTHING!

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    By the way Count, your avatar almost made me PMP the first time I saw it! What a hoot!

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    Glad you like it, greyparrot.

    It makes me a little queasy, actually.

    But, like they say, a picture's worth a thousand words.
    It's like hell vomited and the Bush administration appeared.

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    I just got off the phone with a friend of mine who had the distinct pleasure of being able to spend a day with the honorable Tom Tancredo. He helped set up the visit Tom Tancredo had in Utah. Tom Tancredo specifically told him that Bush's amnesty plan is dead in the water. It's going nowhere. He also said that alot of congressman including many Republicans are very angry over the CAFTA vote. He said the whole CAFTA thing caused alot of hard feelings within the party and he sees alot of Republicans distancing themselves from Bush.

    He also said that the John Roberts the judge for the supreme court is actually a good pick. Said that John Roberts is very much on our side when it comes to immigration. I'm skeptical about that, but we'll see. Tom Tancredo said that he researched this guys records on immigration cases and said he liked what he sees. I personally don't know why Bush likes him though unless he really doesn't know jack about him and we got lucky.

    Tom Tancredo said that his immigration caucus has close to 100 members now in the House.

    I was told that hundreds of people showed up for the Tom Tancredo visit and all of them we're encouraging him to run for president. I didn't hear whether he would committ or not, but he did say that Bush is trying his hardest to get rid of Tom because of his ever increasing popularity.

    That's what I got from my friend who is in the know. He's the guy who is trying to gather another candidate to run against Chris Cannon and he might even run for the State House himself.
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