Thread: Carson: Latinos don’t just care about immigration

Why is it that politicians consider Hispanic voters more important than Americans voters of European heritage? Can it be that Whites are in fact the only ethnic group that is not hung up on the inherently racists ethnic identity thing?

95% of Blacks voted for Obama. 40% of Whites voted for Obama. If Whites voted for Romney with the same percentage as Blacks did for Obama, Obama would have never come close to being elected. So who are the racists?

Originally Posted by csarbww

Why is it that politicians consider Hispanic voters more important than Americans voters of European heritage? Can it be that Whites are in fact the only ethnic group that is not hung up on the inherently racists ethnic identity thing?

95% of Blacks voted for Obama. 40% of Whites voted for Obama. If Whites voted for Romney with the same percentage as Blacks did for Obama, Obama would have never come close to being elected. So who are the racists?

It's not about race. What's being ignored by GOPers is the women vote. They're trying to replace the votes they lose in the women vote with Latino votes so they can maintain their anti-woman, anti-gay stances and still try to win the White House. It's quite foolish, but then people who are anti-woman and anti-gay are generally pretty foolish. They think Latinos because most of them are Catholic will side with their anti-abortion, anti-gay stances, but they're wrong. These two issues are why most Latinos are Democrats. These two stances are why Democrats are still the majority party, it's why even though Republican History and the Original Republican Philosophy would have dictated Republicans be a majority in our country by now, but we aren't and won't be until we change the platform and stop this nonsense against women and gays.

Sorry Judy it is about race. And I am sick tired of the lets pretend that Whites, especially males, are not the targets of bigoted discrimination by the government and every non Caucasian group.

Spare me the women have it so hard on stuff. White males are the only group of people of which there can be too many in jobs or college admissions etc. So-called Affirmative Action is pure racial discrimination against White males. So-called Hate crimes are never applied against blacks who brutalize whites. Blacks are a disproportionately large percentage of all government jobs whether State or Federal. Look at any TV commercial. Blacks are only 13 percent of the population yet they are probably 20% of the actors in TV commercials. And now we are going the special privilege for Hispanics route.

Originally Posted by csarbww

Sorry Judy it is about race. And I am sick tired of the lets pretend that Whites, especially males, are not the targets of bigoted discrimination by the government and every non Caucasian group.

Spare me the women have it so hard on stuff. White males are the only group of people of which there can be too many in jobs or college admissions etc. So-called Affirmative Action is pure racial discrimination against White males. So-called Hate crimes are never applied against blacks who brutalize whites. Blacks are a disproportionately large percentage of all government jobs whether State or Federal. Look at any TV commercial. Blacks are only 13 percent of the population yet they are probably 20% of the actors in TV commercials. And now we are going the special privilege for Hispanics route.

I never said anything about women have it "hard on stuff." I'm telling you why Romney lost, he lost because of the women vote, not because of the Latino vote. And white male Republicans could improve their lot if they stopped picking on women and gays through these anti-woman and anti-gay platforms in the Republican Party. At some point, it might be smart to replace the present foolishness by broadening the base of the Republican Party so more good things can be accomplished that benefit all citizens by ending the platform positions on abortion and homosexuality so more women, men who support them, and gay people will join our party or at least vote for our candidates.

Originally Posted by Judy

I never said anything about women have it "hard on stuff." I'm telling you why Romney lost, he lost because of the women vote, not because of the Latino vote. And white male Republicans could improve their lot if they stopped picking on women and gays through these anti-woman and anti-gay platforms in the Republican Party. At some point, it might be smart to replace the present foolishness by broadening the base of the Republican Party so more good things can be accomplished that benefit all citizens by ending the platform positions on abortion and homosexuality so more women, men who support them, and gay people will join our party or at least vote for our candidates.

Ok, Judy I unfairly put words in your mouth. Sorry.

Less than 3% of the population identify themselves as gay. The Republican have been opposing gay marriage and abortion because a very large part of the Party’s base is fundamentalist Christians. The Republicans could never win an election without them. As a matter of simple politics the Republicans would loose farm more votes from fundamentalists Christians than it would ever gain by appealing to Gays or pro abortion women.


Romney lost because a large number of conservative voters stayed home because they were tired of having to choose between an establishment RINO or a Democrap. Obama won re-election with fewer votes than he won in his first election.

Originally Posted by Judy

It's not about race. What's being ignored by GOPers is the women vote. They're trying to replace the votes they lose in the women vote with Latino votes so they can maintain their anti-woman, anti-gay stances and still try to win the White House. It's quite foolish, but then people who are anti-woman and anti-gay are generally pretty foolish. They think Latinos because most of them are Catholic will side with their anti-abortion, anti-gay stances, but they're wrong. These two issues are why most Latinos are Democrats. These two stances are why Democrats are still the majority party, it's why even though Republican History and the Original Republican Philosophy would have dictated Republicans be a majority in our country by now, but we aren't and won't be until we change the platform and stop this nonsense against women and gays.

Being against abortion doesn't make a person anti-women, nor does believing marriage should be between a man and woman makes you anti-gay! Guess you've got the lefts talking points and phrases down pat. Furthermore, no, the majority of Latinos do not support abortion. The study I just read shows them pretty evenly divided on the topic.

Originally Posted by MW

Being against abortion doesn't make a person anti-women, nor does believing marriage should be between a man and woman makes you anti-gay! Guess you've got the lefts talking points and phrases down pat. Furthermore, no, the majority of Latinos do not support abortion. The study I just read shows them pretty evenly divided on the topic.

Well, let me put it more direct then. In my opinion, anyone who wants to use laws to represent their views to force a pregnant girl or woman with an unwanted pregnancy into childbirth against her will is anti-girl and anti-woman just as forcing gay couples who want to marry to live without the same legal and financial protections of state-recognized marriage that other couples have is anti-gay.

As to Latinos and abortion, I guess it depends on what study. Here's one in Texas:

The poll found that Latino voters in Texas hold very similar views to Latino voters nationwide on abortion rights and the health insurance coverage of abortion and birth control. Exit polls in the 2012 elections showed that 66 percent of Latino voters believed abortion should be legal, while only 28 percent disagreed. In Texas, 6 out of 10 Latino voters said even if a church leader says abortion is wrong, it should be legal, and 78 percent said they agree that women should be able to make their own decisions about abortion.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...10.htmlLatinos and Abortion

MAY 11, 2014

This story is included with an NYT Opinion subscription.






To the Editor:


Re “In California Race, a Latina Democrat Carries Hopes of Her Party and People” (news article, May 5):


It’s disappointing to see myths perpetuated about Latino attitudes toward abortion, which was the case when, as you reported, Representative David Valadao, a Republican running for re-election to California’s 21st District, said he believes that his conservative politics on issues like abortion and taxes appeals to Hispanic voters.


This isn’t just incorrect; it also serves to shame and silence Latinos who support abortion access or who have had an abortion themselves.


Latinos hold compassionate views on abortion; according to our polling, three of four Latino voters believe that a woman should be able to make her own decision about abortion and pregnancy without the interference of politicians. I talk to Latinas every day who are struggling to care for their families, protect their health and make the best decisions about their futures. What they need is more access to quality health care services, not political grandstanding based on stereotypes.

JESSICA GONZÁLEZ-ROJAS
Executive Director, National Latina
Institute for Reproductive Health
New York, May 7, 2014

And if it's not anti-woman to force girls and women into childbirth against their will, lets see how they voted on other women's stuff like ... equal pay for equal work.

Oh my .....

Equal Pay For Equal Work Seems Like A No-Brainer, Right?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peggydre...brainer-right/

On Wednesday, Senate Republicans blocked—for the third time—the Paycheck Fairness Act, a bill proposing to close the pay gap between men and women. The goal of the bill—the attainment of equal pay for equal work—seems like a no-brainer, right? Women with the same job, and same qualifications, as men deserve to be paid the same. They do not deserve to be discriminated against in salary on the basis of gender. Seems obvious. And yet not a single Republican voted in favor of the Act, and many Americans no longer know what to think, either.

The problem is that the message has been greatly muddled, twisted, and usurped, mostly for political gain. Equal Pay has become less a noble, unquestionable goal than a political talking point. Democrats argue that wage disparities persist, pulling out the oft-cited figure that women, on average, earn 77 percent to a man’s dollar. They accuse Republicans of failing the bill in favor of “more important” political agendas.Republicans, meanwhile, say the bill is simply a Democratic ploy to distract from the disappointment of Obamacare; that it’s been against the law to pay a woman less than a man with similar experience in the same job since the Equal Pay Act of 1963. Paycheck Fairness, they say, would make it impossible for employers to tie compensation to work quality, productive, and experience. Lawsuits would increase.

And, well, look, they point out: Even women in the Obama White House earn 88 percent of their male counterparts, according to study conducted by the American Enterprise Institute.It’s undeniable that women are losing ground. A study released earlier this week from the Pew Research Center reported that after decades of decline, more mothers—nearly 30 percent—are staying at home to raise children, a 6 percent increase since 1999. But these aren’t quite the women we often think of as stay-at-home moms, the ones choosing to rebel against the Sandberg manifesto and “opt out,” or who can rely on well-paid husbands to foot the bills.

The women represented in the increase are younger, less likely to be white, more likely to be foreign-born, and less likely to be college educated. They’re staying at home in increasing numbers not by choice, but because they can’t find work—or the work they find isn’t well compensated enough to cover the necessary childcare. Perpetuating the cycle is the fact that, as Pew also reports, women are more likely to experience family-related “career disruptions.” They fall behind when they take time out to raise kids. They return to the workplace at a disadvantage.

Whether women earn 77 cents to the male dollar, as the Obama administration sticks to, or the figure is closer to Pew’s findings of 84 cents for most women and as high as 93 percent for younger women, it’s clear that the playing field is not equal. It’s also clear that disparities are indeed related to gender. Recent cases have shown that women who ask for pay increases often don’t get them. What they get instead: negative reactions. A 2007 study found that women who asked for raises were perceived as demanding. Men, meanwhile, faced no backlash.

Even Republicans concede that gender discrimination is no myth, and have offered an amendment to the Paycheck Fairness Act that would address the opportunity gap and prevent employers from retaliating against workers who share salary information.Which means that both parties want the same thing. So what’s the problem? The problem, of course, is politics. And unfortunately nothing will happen until Democrats and Republicans agree to make Equal Pay a fairness issue rather than a political one. In the meantime, it’s women who suffer.

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/peggydre...brainer-right/

I don't understand people who want to force girls and women into childbirth against their will, who want to force gay couples to live without legal and financial protections or deny them services, who want women to do the same work as men without the same pay, and so on and so forth.

But hey, if Republican candidates want to continue to alienate women and gays to pursue the "Latino vote", have at it, but I think most will be very disappointed with the outcome.

Judy, does it surprise you to know that there are actually gay people that don't support gay marriage? Does that make them anti-gay? What about all the millions of women who are pro-life? Does that make them anti-women? Your utilization of such liberally designed terms are lost on me.

As for Hispanic support for abortion:

Excerpt:

Yet overall, Hispanics are evenly split on the issue of abortion—the same percentage (46%) of Hispanics think abortion should be legal in most or all cases as think it should be illegal in most or all cases (the remaining 8% aren’t sure of their views). The extremes are the same size, too—one in five (20%) Hispanics think abortion should be legal in all cases, and the same percentage thinks it should be illegal in all cases.

http://hispanics.barna.org/hispanic-...ily-and-youth/

Excerpt:

Gallup didn’t break down abortion views by race, but the Pew Research Center did. The following people said abortion should be illegal: 40% of Non-Hispanic Blacks, 45% of Non-Hispanic Whites, and 50% of Hispanics. This is a wider range than that for age, but it doesn’t align with the suggestion that the pro-life movement is disproportionately white. Apparently Hispanics are more likely to consider themselves pro-life than white people, and there are millions of black people who are also anti-abortion.

http://blog.secularprolife.org/2012/...ro-lifers.html

Well, MW,

Yet overall, Hispanics are evenly split on the issue of abortion—the same percentage (46%) of Hispanics think abortion should be legal in most or all cases as think it should be illegal in most or all cases (the remaining 8% aren’t sure of their views). The extremes are the same size, too—one in five (20%) Hispanics think abortion should be legal in all cases, and the same percentage thinks it should be illegal in all cases.

Your own Gallup quote means that 80% of Hispanics think abortion should be legal in some or all cases with only 20% who oppose. Can't you even understand the political relevance of your own statistics? Geez.

Furthermore,

Race

Among women from the 39 areas for which race was reported for 2006, white women (including both Hispanic and non-Hispanic white women) accounted for the largest percentage (55.8%) of abortions; black women accounted for 36.4% and women of other racial groups for 7.8% (Table 10). Black women had higher abortion rates and ratios than white women and women of other races (Table 10). Among the 29 reporting areas that provided data every year during 1997--2006, the percentage of abortions by race changed little; abortions by women in the "other" racial category increased, but the percentage remained low (5.8%--7.7%) (Table 11). Among women from all racial groups, abortion rates and ratios generally declined during 1997--2006, but the abortion rate was higher in 2006 than in 2005; for black women, the abortion ratio was lower in 2006 than in 2005, whereas for white women and women in the "other" racial category, this measure was relatively stable during 2005--2006 (Table 11).

Ethnicity

Among women from the 31 areas for which ethnicity was reported for 2006, Hispanic and non-Hispanic women accounted for 20.1% and 79.9%, respectively, of all abortions (Table 12). Abortion rates were higher among Hispanic women than among non-Hispanic women (21.1 compared with 14.1 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15--44 years, respectively), but abortion ratios among the two ethnic groups were similar (200 and 224 abortions per 1,000 live births, respectively). Among the 19 reporting areas that provided data every year during 1997--2006, the percentage of abortions accounted for by Hispanic women increased 23.6%, whereas the percentage among non-Hispanic women decreased 4.8% (Table 13). In both ethnic groups, abortion rates and ratios generally declined during 1997--2006, but during 2005--2006, abortion rates increased and abortion ratios remained essentially unchanged (Table 13).

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr...cid=ss5808a1_e

As for gay people who are opposed to gay marriage, yes, they would be anti-gay, because they have no empathy for the gay couples who want to marry. That may be because of their religion, it may be because they themselves don't want to marry and care nothing for those who do, it may be they're playing political footsie, "I'm gay but not rocking the boat", or any variety of reasons. It's no different than the people who use drugs but want keep it illegal for a variety of reasons, such as they prefer buying from the black market, don't want to buy legally and expose themselves in a retail store making a legal purchase of drugs or they're part of the drug trade itself and find the black market financially rewarding. There are all types of reasons people have their own opinions on these personal issues.

But like I said earlier, if you believe the road to the White House for Republicans is through the Latino vote instead of the Women Vote, have at it. But at the present time, unless Trump can get it together or a dark horse comes out of the woodwork, in my opinion, we don't have a candidate who win a General Election for President in 2016.

Deep down I think everyone knows that but are still clinging to these failed platforms on abortion, gays and trade like a Custer's Last Stand while the country sinks.

Judy wrote:

Your own Gallup quote means that 80% of Hispanics think abortion should be legal in some or all cases with only 20% who oppose. Can't you even understand the political relevance of your own statistics? Geez.

Attempting to twist the actual facts to fit your own personal agenda isn't going to work for those of us that can actually comprehend what we're reading. Basically you're playing word games. As difficult as it is for you to believe, you're not always right (none of us are). Just live with that fact and let's move on.

Like I said earlier, not all people that are pro-life are anti- women, nor are all people that believe marriage should be between a man and woman are anti-gay.