Thread: Congress considering guest-worker bill

Sullivan: Congress considering guest-worker bill
By RANDY KREHBIEL World Staff Writer
8/23/2008
Last Modified: 8/23/2008 2:52 AM

BROKEN ARROW — Congress is leaning toward a guest worker-type program as one means of addressing illegal immigration, 1st District Congressman John Sullivan said Friday at a Broken Arrow Chamber of Commerce breakfast.

"One of the proposals being looked at is a card for those who want to work here that would be good for, let's say, three to five years," Sullivan said. "There'd be some sort of biometric identification and a background check to make sure they're not a criminal. They'd be able to work here, and they'd also pay taxes. "

Sullivan said the card would allow the holder to leave and re-enter the United States and could be renewed but would not confer citizenship.

"If they want to become a citizen, they can apply for a green card (signifying permanent resident status) and go through the process," Sullivan said.

The Tulsa Republican said he expects some action on the issue after the coming presidential election, regardless of who wins.

Sullivan was among the earliest members of Congress to make illegal immigration an issue but has not talked about it as much recently. On Friday, he said rhetoric on both sides of the issue has gotten out of hand.

"We need to put all of that aside and have a good debate on it," he said.

Sullivan said little is being accomplished in Washington because the two presumptive presidential nominees are U.S. senators.

"If (an issue) doesn't fit their agenda exactly, it's going to be held up," he said. "Or, if it's something one of them wants to take credit for after we come back. So it's actually hurting the legislative process."

Sullivan said he is hopeful, though, that an agreement can be reached to help Oklahoma hospitals with low-income and uninsured patient care. Because the state has a high percentage of uninsured residents and few publicly owned health care facilities, the issue is an important one to Oklahoma medical providers in general and Tulsa-area hospitals in particular.

"We spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year on indigent care," Sullivan said.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article. ... OKEN484605

Originally Posted by zeezil

Sullivan: Congress considering guest-worker bill
By RANDY KREHBIEL World Staff Writer
8/23/2008
Last Modified: 8/23/2008 2:52 AM

BROKEN ARROW — Congress is leaning toward a guest worker-type program as one means of addressing illegal immigration, 1st District Congressman John Sullivan said Friday at a Broken Arrow Chamber of Commerce breakfast.

"One of the proposals being looked at is a card for those who want to work here that would be good for, let's say, three to five years," Sullivan said. "There'd be some sort of biometric identification and a background check to make sure they're not a criminal. They'd be able to work here, and they'd also pay taxes. "

Sullivan said the card would allow the holder to leave and re-enter the United States and could be renewed but would not confer citizenship.

"If they want to become a citizen, they can apply for a green card (signifying permanent resident status) and go through the process," Sullivan said.

The Tulsa Republican said he expects some action on the issue after the coming presidential election, regardless of who wins.

Sullivan was among the earliest members of Congress to make illegal immigration an issue but has not talked about it as much recently. On Friday, he said rhetoric on both sides of the issue has gotten out of hand.

"We need to put all of that aside and have a good debate on it," he said.

Sullivan said little is being accomplished in Washington because the two presumptive presidential nominees are U.S. senators.

"If (an issue) doesn't fit their agenda exactly, it's going to be held up," he said. "Or, if it's something one of them wants to take credit for after we come back. So it's actually hurting the legislative process."

Sullivan said he is hopeful, though, that an agreement can be reached to help Oklahoma hospitals with low-income and uninsured patient care. Because the state has a high percentage of uninsured residents and few publicly owned health care facilities, the issue is an important one to Oklahoma medical providers in general and Tulsa-area hospitals in particular.

"We spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year on indigent care," Sullivan said.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article. ... OKEN484605

To paraphrase The Who, "meet the new laws, same as the old laws". This wouldn't change anything. Forgeries, tampering (there is nothing that is tamper proof, ask any hacker), shady bill amendments, taxpayers picking up the bill, "failed" technologies (Michael Chertoff is the expert on that), underground "chain migration (is "Joe the roofing company owner" really going to swab Juan's mouth to get a positive DNA ID?).

Without Border security the "tamper proof" ID doesn't matter anyway.

More Washington hot air meant to make average Americans think somthing is being done while the same situation goes on as before.

Another attempt by the CFR who have gotton to Sullivan to destroy this nation..nothing more..millere is right..this will change nothing.

"One of the proposals being looked at is a card for those who want to work here that would be good for, let's say, three to five years," Sullivan said. "There'd be some sort of biometric identification and a background check to make sure they're not a criminal. They'd be able to work here, and they'd also pay taxes. "

Will these cards be issued to millions already illegally here? How will the government ensure the accuracy of background checks with the rampant use of multiple, false identities by IAs? Will these "guest workers" be permitted to bring in the spouses and kids? Permitted to produce anchors with abandon?

How much are these "guest workers" going to end up costing the American taxpayers in benefits and services? What further detriment is this going to be to our education system as we are forced to educate millions more children belonging to "guest workers"?

Where will the protections be for American jobs or is this simply going to allow millions of "guest workers" to continue to displace American workers?


Sullivan said the card would allow the holder to leave and re-enter the United States and could be renewed but would not confer citizenship.

"If they want to become a citizen, they can apply for a green card
(signifying permanent resident status) and go through the process," Sullivan said


Sorry, but any card which can be renwed indefinitely, and the absence of very strict regulations attached to such a card.....ex: no family members accompanying the worker, etc.........and it is going to end up conferring defacto citizenship. They're going to buy homes, have anchors, do everything they are doing now, and then they and their activists will claim that they have "put down roots" and are therefore citizens.

I think no.




I realize they are only discussing this possibility right now, but I already don't like it.

For one, we don't need any more "guest worker programs" and secondly, I fail to see where this will help with all of the problems we see brought about by illegal immigration that we've got already.

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Our elected officials are hell bent on importing more third world workers to this country! They will not give up until they complete their mission to transform and thus, destroy this country.

Government in this country no longer represents the people. They are bought and paid for by special interests that represent corporate America, while the middle class in this country finds it increasingly difficult to sustain itself.

This sounds like just another "it's not amnesty" AMNESTY proposal. And in IMO, if John McCain wins, more Republicans will start spouting the same hollow talking points that this Tulsa Republican is (which - surprise - sound a lot like what McCain is blathering).

A 30-Day "high-tech Laser Visa" was developed in 1998 with the hope it would to cut down on illegal immigration across the Mexican border. The ATM card sized visa bears the photo and scanned fingerprints of its legal holder. It allows its bearer to cross from Mexico within 25 miles inside California and Texas and remain there for 30 days without any other supporting documents.

However, thousands of these visas have been reported stolen, and it also is reported that U.S. immigration and State Department officials believe these have been either sold or "rented" for use by others. It is additionally reported that the U.S. is receiving no help from the Mexican government in addressing this problem, and they believe that elements within Mexican federal and local governments also are assisting in diverting these visas. Finally, U.S. officials believe that Mexican organized crime is attempting to duplicate them and, if successfuly, their duplications, of course, also will be sold or "rented" on the black market.

What is never allowed to be mentioned in any of these "official discussions" about dealing with the Mexican government is the historical and accepted financial corruption which pervades Mexican society and its government from bottom to top. This is the primary thing which has destroyed the wealth of Mexico and of its people: the Mexican people are not poor because Mexico is poor; they are poor because Mexico is corrupt. And every contact with the Mexican government which we allow into our country brings with it the contagion of the corruption which is accepted and expected there, and which inevitably will infiltrate our own government and destroy us as it has Mexico.

Originally Posted by Texas2step

This is the primary thing which has destroyed the wealth of Mexico and of its people: the Mexican people are not poor because Mexico is poor; they are poor because Mexico is corrupt. And every contact with the Mexican government which we allow into our country brings with it the contagion of the corruption which is accepted and expected there, and which inevitably will infiltrate our own government and destroy us as it has Mexico.

Mexico's government officials are "gang bangers" with more money and power:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352378,00.html

Mexican Embassy: Official Fired After Getting Caught With White House BlackBerries

Friday, April 25, 2008

Whether he was up to no good or simply desperate to play BrickBreaker, a Mexican press attaché was caught on camera pocketing several White House BlackBerries during a recent meeting in New Orleans and has since been fired, FOX News has learned.

Sources with knowledge of the incident said the official, Rafael Quintero Curiel, served as the lead press advance person for the Mexican Delegation and was responsible for handling logistics and guiding the Mexican media around at the conference.

Mexican Embassy spokesman Ricardo Alday said Thursday he was asked to tender his resignation once he arrived back in Mexico City.

"Mr. Quintero will be responsible for explaining his actions to the American authorities conducting an investigation. The Mexican government deeply regrets this incident," he said.

[Ya, right. The Mexican government was stealing these BlackBerries in order to get more political and business contacts. We weren't born yesterday. Their government got caught this time. How many more cell phones and PDA's are coming up missing in Washington? Stolen laptops with sensitive documents? Gang bangers with Social Security numbers? Hello! Hello! Is this thing on?]

Quintero Curiel took six or seven of the handheld devices from a table outside a special room in the hotel where the Mexican delegation was meeting with President Bush earlier this week.

Everyone entering the room was required to leave his or her cell phone, BlackBerry and other such devices on the table, a common practice when high-level meetings are held. American officials discovered their missing belongings when they were leaving the session.

[I wonder how many foreigners have done this in the past but it gets buried in order not to embarrass the government.]

It didn't take long before Secret Service officials reviewed videotape taken by a surveillance camera and found footage showing Quintero Curiel absconding with the BlackBerries.

Sources said Quintero Curiel made it all the way to the airport before Secret Service officers caught up with him. He initially denied taking the devices, but after agents showed him the DVD, Quintero Curiel said it was purely accidental, gave them back, claimed diplomatic immunity and left New Orleans with the Mexican delegation.

In a letter sent to Mexican newspapers and broadcasters, Quintero Curiel said he had picked up the phones because he thought they had been left behind. He said that as he rushed to the airport, he had given them to a driver to take back to the hotel to hand them over to management.

In the letter, he said U.S. Secret Service agents had approached him at the airport, asking him to return the BlackBerries, but he said the agents thanked him for his help when he explained the incident.

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino refused to discuss the incident, telling FOX News, "We are aware of the situation, but as it's under investigation by law enforcement officials, we will decline to comment."

Oh, brother. They are everywhere...