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    Congressman: Californians Have ‘No Loyalty to This Country’

    Rep. McClintock says many town hall protestors want secession, hate 'our Constitution'

    by Kathryn Blackhurst | Updated 14 Feb 2017 at 2:03 PM

    Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) lamented that the large segment of Californians clamoring to secede from the U.S. have “no loyalty to this country whatsoever” during an interview Tuesday on “The Laura Ingraham Show.”

    McClintock recently endured a raucous town hall event in early February in which the attendance of hundreds of anti-Trump protesters led to police escorting McClintock out of the building. These protesters reflect the 32 percent of Californians who support secession from the union, according to McClintock.

    “When a third of a state hates our Constitution and our country so much that they would back a secession movement, that’s a pretty powerful warning not to let that happen across the rest of the country,” McClintock told LifeZette Editor-in-Chief Laura Ingraham. “And I suspect that part of the reason for the popularity of the secession movement in California is the fact that you have a large portion of the population that has no loyalty to this country whatsoever.”

    Both Ingraham and McClintock said the steep leftward shift of California can be attributed in large part to mass influxes of illegal and legal immigrants, as well as the “mass exodus” from the state that occurred as their state began “going to hell.”

    “The Democrats know that the more immigrants, both legal and illegal, that come in, the bigger their piece of the electoral pie. And it’s worked out very well for them as a political matter, has it not?” Ingraham asked.

    McClintock said that’s part of the reason many people have fled California over the last several decades.

    “Republicans are still winning the vote in California. The problem is people are now voting with their feet. And that is a serious problem,” McClintock said.

    Noting that voters nationally acted to “turn things around” during the 2016 election in “one of the most dramatic political realignments in the history of our country,” McClintock bemoaned his state’s refusal to do the same.

    “We haven’t seen that in California. And we have not seen much of that in states like Illinois and New York that are dominated by the Democrats,” McClintock said. “If your country’s going to hell, you don’t renounce your citizenship and move to Belize. You stay and fight because, by God, this is your country. But if your state’s going to hell, there comes a time when it’s just a lot easier to move to another state. And I’m afraid that’s what many Californians are doing.”

    McClintock said, however, that there are many reasons to hold on to hope for California’s future. Noting that there are “a lot of Californians” who are “cheering” the Trump administration’s efforts to crack down on illegal immigration and secure the borders, McClintock said there is still significant Republican support in the state.

    “Don’t forget, it’s our schools that are being completely overwhelmed by illegal immigration. Our hospitals are being completely overwhelmed. Our jails and prisons. It’s our economy,” McClintock said. “So, I think Trump will find an awful lot of people cheering him on in California as he restores the rule of law and the integrity of our borders and the sovereignty of our country.”

    There’s even some hope that the president and the Republican Party can succeed in converting California liberals to their cause, McClintock suggested.

    "If Donald Trump is successful in reviving our economy, and I am very confident he will be, states like California are going to be left in the dust. And I think that's going to be a very powerful message," McClintock said. "And I think the example the Trump administration is going to show in reviving our economy, securing our borders, restoring our national security — those are going to be powerful messages across the entire country and they will even permeate a place like California."

    Californians have done enough damage to themselves already, McClintock said, adding that the time is now for change to take root and flourish.

    "California's got everything in the world going for it except for wise government," McClintock said. "You look at that beautiful state, most equitable climate in the hemisphere, most bountiful resources in the country. We're on the Pacific Rim in a position to dominate world trade for a century, and yet people are finding a better future out in the middle of Nevada, Arizona, and Texas deserts."

    "No conceivable act of God could do that much damage to a beautiful state like California, but acts of government can — and they have," McClintock added. "And people are registering that by leaving. And that's a warning to the rest of the country."

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    Great article, Jean.
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    He's one of the good ones.

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    McClintock is so right about a lot of Californians, but lately I am seeing such a difference. I have always understood why a lot of legal Hispanics never spoke out. It starts in the schools with illegal Hispanic immigrants taunting and harassing legal 2nd and 3rd generation Hispanic children. They are two white or traitors for not speaking Spanish, etc. I have seen grandparents cry about the change these illegal immigrants have brought with them. They miss the great sharing of culture and the way we all got along. They referred to these Hispanics as stupid ignorant nationals.

    I have been waiting for the true California Hispanics to start speaking out and I have finally seen it. They are now busy posting that they want illegal immigrants deported and they do not want this to be a Sanctuary State. I watch as the illegals and their activist groups try to shame them. They will repeat the last name and say that is a Hispanic and question how they could speak out against them. There tactics are now right out there for everyone to see and the shock that they show when these great Hispanic Californians take them on and let them know that they are Americans first and want them gone, gives me hope for California.

    While I am seeing hope for California, I am also feeling fear. I have never seen such anger, or people not caring who hears what they say. At the beauty shop today, woman were screaming their anger at our state government and Jerry Brown. This evening we went out to dinner and there was two black couples at the next table. They to were talking about California politics and the Orville Dam and their anger. I couldn't believe it when the gentlemen started talking about the fact they were Vets and that the soldiers were going to have to kill Senator Kevin de Leon and Governor Brown. I mean everyone in the area could hear what they were saying. These men were well dressed middle to upper class gentlemen, nobody that you would expect to be saying this loud enough for everyone to hear. My husband just looked at me, smiled and said "and you worry about what I might say".

    I want change, I want my California back, but I am beginning to fear that this liberal state has pushed Californian's to far and there will be fighting in our streets.
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    I've posted for years about why American Hispanics would support illegal immigration because they get stuck with the stigma, their lost relatives showing up on their doorsteps wanting a place to live, eat, hold up, hide, run drugs, demand jobs, network, and take over their lives and put them at risk.

    Why? Millions of American Hispanics have been here for generations, many of them all the way back to before Texas and California, Arizona and New Mexico were even States. Why would they support illegal immigration into our country??!! Makes no sense, never has, I believe they are afraid, in fear, all those illegal aliens living in their homes, relatives so distant they couldn't confirm they're even relatives for real, I think it's fear in a lot of cases.
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    2012 state petitions for secession - Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_state_petitions_for_secession




    The petitions were started by individual citizens, not by the states themselves. There were eventually secession petitions set up for all fifty states, with six (Louisiana, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, Georgia and Texas) reaching the 25,000 threshold.2012 petitions and counter ... · ‎Responses by state officials ...
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    One in four Americans want their state to secede from the U.S., but why?

    By Jim Gaines
    September 19, 2014

    Click on the image to explore the the complete poll results.

    For the past few weeks, as Scotland debated the wisdom of independence, Reuters has been asking Americans how they would feel about declaring independence today, not from the United Kingdom, but from the mother country they left England to create. The exact wording of the question was,

    “Do you support or oppose the idea of your state peacefully withdrawing from the United States of America and the federal government?”


    It was hard to imagine many people would support secession. Forget the fact that the cautionary lesson of the Civil War is top of mind for many people as we commemorate its 150th anniversary; just in terms of dollars and cents, who in their right minds would give up all the money they’ve already paid into the Social Security and Medicare systems? Besides, most states get more back from the federal government than they put in.

    Then the results came in. You can see them for yourself here, and you can filter them any way you want—by age, region, income, party affiliation, etc. Any way you slice it, the data are startlingly clear: Almost a quarter (23.9 percent) of those surveyed said they were strongly or provisionally inclined to leave the United States, and take their states with them.

    Given the polling sample — about 9,000 people so far—the online survey’s credibility interval (which is digital for “margin of error”) was only 1.2 percentage points, so there is no question that that is what they said.



    Secession got more support from Republicans than Democrats, more from right- than left-leaning independents, more from younger than older people, more from lower- than higher-income brackets, more from high school than college grads. But there was a surprising amount of support in every group and region, especially the Rocky Mountain states, the Southwest and the old Confederacy, but also in places like Illinois and Kansas. And of the people who said they identified with the Tea Party, supporters of secession were actually in the majority, with 53 percent.

    The question is, what do results like this mean for the country?

    First, it should be acknowledged that intramural conflict has been in character for Americans since the earliest settlements, when Puritan New England faced off against Royalist Virginia in the English Civil War. More than a century later, the Revolutionary War was barely won when the states, never quite friendly, were at each other’s throats, and the infant nation came close to being strangled in its crib.

    It was in part to avoid the danger that the colonies would break into competing regional confederacies that the founders plotted to hold the Constitutional Convention of 1787. But even when the new Constitution made secession illegal, the impulse to break up stayed strong. Serious state and regional threats of secession flared up in 1799, 1814 and 1828. Fifteen years before 11 Southern states did secede in 1860, sparking the Civil War, William Lloyd Garrison called for the North to secede under the banner of “No Union With Slaveholders.”

    All told, secessionist feints and follies have produced notional movements for more than a hundred new states and nations in North America, from Absaroka to Yazoo. A book about such causes, Lost States, manages to be quite amusing.

    Followup phone calls with a small, random sample of pro-secession respondents to the Reuters poll, however, suggest that while their wish to leave the union may not be quite what it appears, it is not amusing at all.

    Those we spoke to seemed to have answered as they did as a form of protest that was neither red nor blue but a polychromatic riot — against a recovery that has yet to produce jobs, against jobs that don’t pay, against mistreatment of veterans, against war, against deficits, against hyper-partisanship, against political corruption, against illegal immigration, against the assault on marriage, against the assault on same-sex marriage, against government in the bedroom, against government in general — the president, Congress, the courts and both political parties.

    By the evidence of the poll data as well as these anecdotal conversations, the sense of aggrievement is comprehensive, bipartisan, somewhat incoherent, but deeply felt.

    This should be more than disconcerting; it’s a situation that could get dangerous. As the Princeton political scientist Mark Beissinger has shown, separatist movements can take hold around contempt for incumbents and the status quo even when protesters have no ideology in common.

    The United States hardly seems to be on the verge of fracture, and the small secession movements in a handful of American states today represent a tiny percentage of those polled by Reuters. But any country where 60 million people declare themselves to be sincerely aggrieved — especially one that is fractious by nature — is a country inviting either the sophistry of a demagogue or a serious movement for reform.

    http://blogs.reuters.com/jamesrgaine...e-u-s-but-why/
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