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    There are 30 million illegal aliens in the United States. There's plenty of illegal aliens to deport without even getting to these DACAs. The problem is lack of the right resources, ICE Agents, BP Agents, Immigration Prosecutors and Immigration Judges. There is plenty of government manpower throughout the federal government, just not in the right places authorized to do the right things to solve the problem.

    DHS has 229,000 employees, but only 5,000 ICE Agents. We have 10,000 FBI agents in the DOJ chasing mainly white collar crimes and now we learn political agendas, but only 5,000 ICE Agents responsible for enforcing US immigration laws against 30 million illegal aliens already inside the United States. We have 100,000 employees in the IRS reviewing tax returns, but only 5,000 ICE Agents.

    Trump has made formal budget requests to increase ICE agents by another 10,000 to 15,000 since last February, but Congress won't give him the money to fund the positions. Until this problem is solved, he really needs far more than 15,000, but that would make a big difference. He's also asked for 1000 more immigration prosecutors and 500 more judges, but Congress refuses to fund it.

    What he really should do at this point is issue an EO that authorizes any willing state and local law enforcement agency to actively engage in enforcing US immigration law without fear of reprisals or lawsuits by the federal government for doing so. He supports several bills in Congress that do this, but Congress refuses to even have a vote on them so far because we don't have the votes in the Senate to pass them.

    So he has to figure out a more stream-lined way to expedite deportations with the resources we have, and have ICE be more effective targeting much larger groups of illegal aliens in each raid and arrest effort. It's all about the numbers, and we're way outnumbered at this point with no legislative or budgetary fix in sight, because we don't have the votes in the Senate to pass the bills we need or the funding for stronger enforcement.

    Vote Republican in 2018, and if we get 10 more Senate seats, then we can pass the bills we want and secure the funding we need in 2019. At this point, another year won't matter.
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    SEE SOMETHING...SAY SOMETHING

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    Report the BIGGEST ONES!! The employers with hundreds of illegals working for them. Pay rewards to the callers for tips that result in big deportations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    Make no mistake about it, Trump does want an amnesty deal for DACA. Trump's broken promise to end DACA immediately after moving into the White House was the first sign that he wanted to protect DACA members. Furthermore, Trump didn't end DACA because he wanted to, he did it because he was forced to! The Texas AG and his partners were going to file a lawsuit against the program and AG Sessions refused to support Trump and his DACA program in court. Yes, it became Trump's DACA program when he failed to keep his promise to end it after he was elected.

    Truth be told we should have never reached this point on DACA. We have Trump to thank for that.
    I didn't say that Trump doesn't want amnesty for these DACA illegals. Of course he does. He's a traitor. We already know that. The article says that no one wanted to touch the DACA issue, even after Trump ended it. And the only reason democrats brought it up is because Trump said he wanted to make a deal. That's a lie. Democrats were bitching and moaning when Trump ended it, and that is the reason Trump wants to make a deal and legalize them.

    Is he caving in to the democrats bitching about it? Yes, he is. But what the article says about the democrats being quiet on the issue until Trump said he wanted to make a deal isn't true. They bitched about it the second Trump tried to end it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6 Million Dollar Man View Post
    I didn't say that Trump doesn't want amnesty for these DACA illegals. Of course he does. He's a traitor. We already know that. The article says that no one wanted to touch the DACA issue, even after Trump ended it. And the only reason democrats brought it up is because Trump said he wanted to make a deal. That's a lie. Democrats were bitching and moaning when Trump ended it, and that is the reason Trump wants to make a deal and legalize them.

    Is he caving in to the democrats bitching about it? Yes, he is. But what the article says about the democrats being quiet on the issue until Trump said he wanted to make a deal isn't true. They bitched about it the second Trump tried to end it.
    I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just attempting to clear up any misconception that may be floating around out there that Trump doesn't really want a DACA amnesty and is doing whatever he can to purposely block a deal. Of course there is really only one ALIPAC member pushing that theory and it's not you.

    Four pillar plan or not, I firmly believe Trump honestly thought he could bring some Democrats on board with the promise of an amnesty for around 2 million illegals. So happens he grossly underestimated them.

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    MW, are you trying to suggest that the Democrats outsmarted Trump?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    MW, are you trying to suggest that the Democrats outsmarted Trump?
    I didn't suggest anything. What I said was I believe Trump underestimated them. He offered amnesty to 1 million more than the 800,000 or so current DACA members that were originally on the table. I believe Trump thought the increase would turn some Democrats. Well, fortunately for us Trump was wrong and it didn't work.
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    Yes, that's right. Democrats in the Senate didn't want a DACA deal. Otherwise, they would have taken Trump's offer of the 1.8 million DACAS with a pathway to citizenship and done the Grassley bill, because he warned he would veto the other 3 proposals. He's happily tweeting that fact and saying he can't believe how badly the DEMS treated the DACAs, accuses the Dems of totally abandoning them. Reminds them that "Republicans still hard at work."

    So, if he really wanted a DACA AMNESTY, he seems to be taking the loss very well.
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    Judy wrote (excerpt):

    So, if he really wanted a DACA AMNESTY, he seems to be taking the loss very well.
    It's not that he's taking it well, because he's not. What he is doing is attempting to goad the Democrats into action.

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    Yes, that's right, he's goading action on his stacked deck 4 pillar plan proposal that is supported by CIS, FAIR and NumbersUSA. He's already made it clear he'll veto anything less than the Grassley bill in the Senate, at least that was his position in the Senate last week that killed the bills. The Grassley bill for example only got 39 votes, the worst showing of the 4 bills voted on which means most if not all Democrats and quite a few Republicans in the Senate aren't interested in a DACA deal, at least not on the terms of Trump's stacked deck 4 pillar plan.

    The House will take up a revised Goodlatte bill when they come back from break if there's still interest in it. Will it get to the floor? I have no idea. If it gets to the floor will it pass? I have no clue. I would be very surprised if Republicans pass an amnesty bill in the US House of Representatives, but due to all the money funded by it and all the other good things that happen if it passes, it's possible.

    There's two goals in this fight against illegal immigration:

    1. preventing amnesty
    2. solving the problem

    We have the votes to kill amnesty, we don't have enough votes to solve the problem.

    That's the problem.

    To solve the problem without amnesty, we need at least 10 more Republicans in the US Senate while holding or expanding our majority in the House.

    In my opinion, that's the reality of the situation.

    Jeff Sessions supports this deal, calls it our last chance to solve the illegality while serving the national interest. Fox News is discussing the DACA issue right now on their Sunday Show, News Hour, right after the commercial break. They had a clip from Jeff Sessions. Everyone might want to tune in.
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