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    E-Verify Let 12 million Illegal Hires Happen Since 2006—80% of Attempts

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    E-Verify Let 12 million Illegal Hires Happen Since 2006—80% of Attempts

    By DAVID BIER
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    President Trump made waves last week by saying that he didn’t want to mandate E-Verify because the system—which intends to stop illegal workers by checking their information against government databases—is too “tough.” He claimed that when he built the Trump Hotel in D.C., the system rejected nearly 30 people for each person it accepted. But Trump is wrong: E-Verify catches fewer than one in six illegal workers. It’s been more than a decade since E-Verify reliably stopped illegal hires.

    Methodology

    E-Verify relies on government records to try to identify U.S. citizens and legal workers applying for jobs. If the system worked, it should deny applicants roughly in proportion to the illegal share of the labor force. From Census surveys, demographers at the Pew Research Center have estimated that about 8 million workers—or 5 percent of the workforce—lacks authorization to work.

    But because so many illegal immigrants work in seasonal industries and are more likely to change jobs, they are overrepresented in new hires who are run through the system. In addition, the specific companies that use E-Verify are more likely to be in industries with an overrepresentation of illegal workers. For these reasons, a government-commissioned report by Westat estimated that illegal immigrants were 15 percent more likely to apply to firms using E-Verify than their overall share of the labor force (6.2 percent compared to 5.4 percent). This analysis will assume that this rate has remained roughly the same.


    E-Verify can also erroneously deem legal workers “unauthorized,” which means that the number of denials is higher than the number of denials just for illegal immigrants. Legal workers can challenge an initial denial known as a “Tentative Non-Confirmation” (TNC) and try to prove their innocence, but only if their employers inform them of the error and don’t fire them or dump their application. If they don’t challenge or are unable to prove their identity if they do, the system still returns a “Final Non-Confirmation” (FNC), requiring the employer to fire them.


    Westat estimated that in 2009, 6.3 percent of FNCs were for legal workers. While it has not released any other estimates, the government has reported the number of TNCs that legal workers overcome each year. This analysis assumes that these two rates are correlated and that the FNC error rate will reflect improvements in the TNC error rate. Subtracting out these erroneous FNCs gives us the actual number of illegal workers that E-Verify has stopped.


    The rapid decline in E-Verify’s effectiveness

    In fiscal year 2018, E-Verify prevented the hiring of 16.1 percent of illegal workers. As Figure 1 shows, when E-Verify was first being rolled out. Nearly all illegal workers who encountered the system received final non-confirmations, meaning that their employers had to lay them off. The rate fell continuously until FY 2014.


    In absolute terms, E-Verify failed to stop 1.8 million illegal hires in FY 2018, and it allowed nearly 12 million illegal hires to move forward since 2006. The number of illegal hires E-Verify has prevented grew threefold since 2006, but the number of illegal hires E-Verify stopped shot up 348-fold. Overall, E-Verify stopped nearly 3 million illegal hires from 2006 to 2018—or 20 percent of attempted hires from illegal immigrants during that time.


    The precipitous declines in effectiveness from 2007 through 2010 coincided with the first mandates of E-Verify for federal contractors and employers in Arizona and Mississippi. Once E-Verify became more common, illegal workers realized what was happening and quickly adjusted. Illegal workers can always apply using someone else’s ID and Social Security Number and obtain a job under the system.

    Conclusion


    E-Verify has stopped relatively few illegal hires.

    Even those few illegal workers that E-Verify has stopped probably found a job—either at a company not using E-Verify or at an E-Verify company after applying with a new identity.

    Overall, E-Verify may have made illegal employment slightly more difficult, but not nearly enough to, as the cliché goes, “turn off the jobs magnet” that draws immigrants to the United States.



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    E-Verify may have started out with a noble purpose, unlikely, but possible, but it is not there to stop illegal immigration, it's there to develop a massive database to track US citizens. That's been my opinion of it for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    E-Verify may have started out with a noble purpose, unlikely, but possible, but it is not there to stop illegal immigration, it's there to develop a massive database to track US citizens. That's been my opinion of it for a long time.

    The strategies against illegal immigration aren't working. Need a new plan.
    The information you're talking about is already in governmental databases.
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    The information isn't in a DHS database. Presently, DHS can't access that information. With E-Verify they will have the information, the same DHS you claim is selling out our country. Why would you give them your personal information? They're supposed to be tracking illegal aliens, not US citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    The information isn't in a DHS database. Presently, DHS can't access that information. With E-Verify they will have the information, the same DHS you claim is selling out our country. Why would you give them your personal information? They're supposed to be tracking illegal aliens, not US citizens.
    Any and all information stored in a government database is always susceptible of being interchanged and/or accessed by various federal agencies to conduct background checks to ascertain someone is who they say they are and is representing themselves properly. E-Verify is just another type of employment background check. A lot of employers do a background check on potential or current employees and various databases are used for these checks. To make out like E-Verify is some huge magic database that is designed to damage are hurt you in some way is just wrong.

    Various database checks that are routinely done:

    - Employment Background Checks.
    - Criminal Background Checks.
    - Universal Background Checks.
    - OIG Background Checks.
    - E-Verify Background checks.
    - Fingerprint Background Checks
    - International Background Checks.
    - Credit Background checks.
    - Personal Background Checks.
    - Professional Licenses Background Checks.


    When did I claim DHS was selling out our country? I have implied or directly said that President Trump is selling us out to corporations and big business, but I've never directly accused DHS of doing it. The buck stops with Trump, he ultimately controls DHS. The Secretary of DHS is his hand-picked hire. If Trump wasn't okay with DHS issuing work permits in 30-50 days when the law calls for 180 days, it wouldn't be happening. Of course that's another discussion. Watching you make make up your own facts to defend Trump is getting tiresome.

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    DHS doesn't need this information and shouldn't have it. SSA should be the only entity to verify a social security number for employment purposes.

    It's funny how you think I "defend Trump" by pointing out important information in an article posted by someone else that corrected your erroneous narrative. It wouldn't matter who is President, you were wrong on your narrative because you didn't read the whole article. But don't worry, I won't waste my time on you in the future, because in the long game, it won't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    DHS doesn't need this information and shouldn't have it. SSA should be the only entity to verify a social security number for employment purposes.

    It's funny how you think I "defend Trump" by pointing out important information in an article posted by someone else that corrected your erroneous narrative. It wouldn't matter who is President, you were wrong on your narrative because you didn't read the whole article. But don't worry, I won't waste my time on you in the future, because in the long game, it won't matter.
    Shows how lacking your knowledge really is on E-Verify. The SSN submitted for E-Verify is ran through the Social Security Administrations database. This is not information DHS has a personal database on.

    DHS and SSA work together on the E-Verify checks. So, in the end, nothing is happening here that goes against what you say you want.

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    I want an employer to simply contact SSA to verify a social security number for employment purposes. DHS should have no role in it, at all. Oh wait, that happens now with the I-9 form, which is why we don't need E-Verify in DHS. SSA will notify the employer if the employee has a "bad" number with a "no match letter". Problem solved.

    I don't support E-Verify through DHS, period. You will not change my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    I want an employer to simply contact SSA to verify a social security number for employment purposes. DHS should have no role in it, at all. Oh wait, that happens now with the I-9 form, which is why we don't need E-Verify in DHS. SSA will notify the employer if the employee has a "bad" number with a "no match letter". Problem solved.

    I don't support E-Verify through DHS, period. You will not change my mind.
    Nope, wrong again. I-9 Forms do not require a social security number.

    I'm not attempting to change your mind. However, I am correcting some things you're obviously misinformed on.

    DHS does not have or store your SSN.

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    Different positions and points have clearly been made here as on other threads dealing with E Verify.

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    This article is consistent with several reports we have received from ALIPAC supporters who tell us they have first-hand knowledge of illegal aliens successfully gaining employment with E-Verify certification!

    This reinforces what I've been trying to tell folks for many years... the E-Verify and Real ID programs are not to keep illegals out. These programs are how the elites plan to maintain control and security for themselves in a future borderless world where national boundaries are as meaningless as state boundaries.

    We used to have a lot of people here on these very forums fighting intensely for biometric big brother tracking technology deployment through Real ID who falsely promised Americans should submit to the program in the interest of stopping illegal immigrants. Now we see in America that millions of illegals have Real ID driver licenses no problemo! The creators of the program want illegals enrolled in their Real ID program. So the voices touting Real ID have retreated from that contention now that most of America is being forced into the Orwellian tracking program.

    Now those same folks, including people at NumbersUSA and members of Congress are telling us E-Verify will save American jobs from illegal aliens, and this article is saying that is just not true either.

    Nobody should be surprised after all the I-9 forms were part of Reagan's devastating Amnesty in 1986. Americans were promised no illegals could work jobs anymore because of that provision and now we see for the last three decades nobody in DC has been verifying I-9s or acting on them when they are fraudulently submitted.

    Both Real ID and E-Verify are programs created to control the American and illegal alien population in the new North American Union, not stop or repel illegal immigrants who are being imported into America to accomplish the same super state creation goals.









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