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    Why didn't Sessions end DACA 2012 on June 15, 2017 when Kelly ended the other two that were all part of the same Jeh Johnson 3 year renewal memo?

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    I don't know why you keep bringing up DAPA and the DACA Expansion. Probably an effort of obfuscate. I know your big wordy responses are an effort to obfuscate. The DAPA and DACA extension programs are moot and have been for some time now. They are not part of this discussion. We're talking about the original DACA program that was created through a memorandum by DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano. Please stay on point.


    You can say all you want with your wordy explanations, but just as AG Jeff Sessions says, DACA was an open-ended program and never had an expiration date. I offered you proof to support this, now where is your evidence (provide link).

    I showed you mine, now show me yours. Don't bother with anymore mumbo jumbo talk in an attempt to confuse the issue .... Just show your proof with an appropriate link. If you can't do that, then just admit you're wrong and let's move along.

    You showed Sessions, you didn't show "yours". You don't even know what you're talking about. Business people and commercial litgators all over the country are laughing at this stupidity. They're all asking "gawd damn, why didn't they just let it expire and be done with it?" Maybe some day Sessions will explain why he thought a 3 year renewal that started in June 15, 2014 didn't expire on June 15, 2017 by its terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    You showed Sessions, you didn't show "yours". You don't even know what you're talking about. Business people and commercial litgators all over the country are laughing at this stupidity. They're all asking "gawd damn, why didn't they just let it expire and be done with it?" Maybe some day Sessions will explain why he thought a 3 year renewal that started in June 15, 2014 didn't expire on June 15, 2017 by its terms.
    Geez, I don't understand why this is so confusing for you.

    Repeat, DACA was an open-ended program with no actual expiration date. Of course the work permits and protections had an expiration date for each individual, however, they were subject to renewal, but the program itself was open-ended and had no expiration date .. not June 15, 2017 or any other date. In other words, a DACA member could continuously renew their status for as long as the program was active.

    Heck, Trump didn't even want to give the program an expiration date but was forced to when the Texas Attorney General and his partner state AG's threatened with a lawsuit and AG Jeff Sessions refused to support DACA in court. At that point, Trump's hand was forced.

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    The Attorney General sent a letter to the Department on September 4, 2017, articulating his legal determination that DACA “was effectuated by the previous administration through executive action, without proper statutory authority and with no established end-date, after Congress' repeated rejection of proposed legislation that would have accomplished a similar result. Such an open-ended circumvention of immigration laws was an unconstitutional exercise of authority by the Executive Branch.”
    https://www.dhs.gov/deferred-action-childhood-arrivals-daca

    Once again I ask you to show me your source that states DACA was scheduled to expire on June 15, 2017.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Why didn't Sessions end DACA 2012 on June 15, 2017 when Kelly ended the other two that were all part of the same Jeh Johnson 3 year renewal memo?

    It doesn't really matter. It's in the Courts now.
    What "other two" are you talking about? You'll need to spell it out for me because I'm not a mind reader.

    Now if you're talking about DAPA and DACA Expansion, they went down in the U.S. Supreme Court in a 4-4 tie in June 2016. Of course that meant the decisions by lower courts that temporarily blocked DAPA and the DACA Expansion from being implemented remained in effect.


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    DACA Expansion and DAPA were blocked from implementing during the lawsuit. Trump and Kelly ended DACA Expansion and DAPA on June 15, 2017. Lawsuit over DACA Expansion and DAPA was then dismissed on September 5, 2017. Sessions rescinds DACA 2012 on September 5, 2017, the same day the DACA Expansin and DAPA lawsuit is dismissed, and here we are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    DACA Expansion and DAPA were blocked from implementing during the lawsuit. Trump and Kelly ended DACA Expansion and DAPA on June 15, 2017. Lawsuit over DACA Expansion and DAPA was then dismissed on September 5, 2017. Sessions rescinds DACA 2012 on September 5, 2017, the same day the DACA Expansin and DAPA lawsuit is dismissed, and here we are.
    Nothing you've said changes anything I've said and it certainly doesn't prove there was an expiration date of June 15, 2017, of DACA.

    The Attorney General sent a letter to the Department on September 4, 2017, articulating his legal determination that DACA “was effectuated by the previous administration through executive action, without proper statutory authority and with no established end-date, after Congress' repeated rejection of proposed legislation that would have accomplished a similar result. Such an open-ended circumvention of immigration laws was an unconstitutional exercise of authority by the Executive Branch.”

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    So now judges are ordering trump to NOT enforce the law!! Judge Bates tells him to let the daca dreamers stay even though the LAW says they can't.!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    They should have let it expire on June 15, 2017 like the White House wanted to do.
    If it was set to expire like you claim, why are we discussing this? Why didn't it expire?

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    It's clear as a bell to anyone with 2 live brain cells still connected that the original deal was a 2 year deal, which is why Jeh Johnson renewed it in 2014 for another 3 years which expired on June 15, 2017 by its terms.
    Again if it expired by its terms, why didn't it expire?


    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    DACA Expansion and DAPA were blocked from implementing during the lawsuit. Trump and Kelly ended DACA Expansion and DAPA on June 15, 2017. Lawsuit over DACA Expansion and DAPA was then dismissed on September 5, 2017. Sessions rescinds DACA 2012 on September 5, 2017, the same day the DACA Expansin and DAPA lawsuit is dismissed, and here we are.
    How could Sessions rescind on September 5, 2017 if it expired June 15, 2017?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Why didn't Sessions end DACA 2012 on June 15, 2017 when Kelly ended the other two that were all part of the same Jeh Johnson 3 year renewal memo?

    It doesn't really matter. It's in the Courts now.
    And why should it be in the courts?? DACA is not a law and trump can end it when he pleases and no court can say otherwise. No president is bound by mere executive orders of a prior prez.
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    LOL!! The DACA Expansion and DAPA were additions to the DACA 2012 renewal. If you can't figure out when your 3 year deal ends, then you're in strangely incompetent crowd that better never sign one. A three year deal, any deal, ends 3 years from the start date unless it's renewed or extended.
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