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    A Full Border Wall With Mexico? ‘Unlikely,’ Homeland Security Chief Says

    A Full Border Wall With Mexico? ‘Unlikely,’ Homeland Security Chief Says

    By RON NIXONAPRIL 5, 2017



    The homeland security secretary, John F. Kelly, testified at a Senate committee hearing on Wednesday. Credit Gabriella Demczuk for The New York Times WASHINGTON — John F. Kelly, the homeland security secretary, said Wednesday that it was doubtful that a wall along the full border with Mexico would ever be built, despite an oft-repeated campaign promise by President Trump.

    “It is unlikely that we will build a wall from sea to shining sea,” Mr. Kelly told senators on the Homeland Security Committee.
    Instead, Mr. Kelly said, the department would look to build physical barriers — including fencing and concrete walls — in places that made sense. He said the department was still studying the best places to construct such barriers, though he said he could not give an estimate of the cost.

    The first bids for prototypes of the border wall were due Tuesday. According to people briefed on the agency’s plan, the first new section of the wall will be built on a short strip of federally owned land in San Diego, where there is already fencing.

    Congress has not yet acted on the funding request for the wall, and it faces considerable opposition from Democrats and even some Republicans.

    Speaker Paul D. Ryan said Congress probably would not grant the Trump administration’s request for additional money for the border wall this year, adding that it would most likely be included in the next fiscal year’s appropriation.

    In his budget released this month, Mr. Trump asked for $1.4 billion to pay for the initial development of the wall. The Department of Homeland Security said enough funding had been moved from other programs to begin construction.
    Democrats have vowed to block Mr. Trump’s budget proposals to build the wall and add Border Patrol and deportation agents.

    Mr. Kelly’s testimony on Wednesday came as his department begins implementing key features of Mr. Trump’s executive orders to increase border security and crack down on illegal immigration. Federal judges have blocked the department from carrying out the president’s executive orders seeking to ban travel to the United States by citizens of six mostly Muslim countries.

    Nevertheless, Mr. Kelly said the department was proceeding with other efforts to strengthen border security and was starting to see some results. For example, he noted that apprehensions along the Southwest border had declined. Border Patrol agents caught almost 17,000 people trying to cross the border illegally last month, down from nearly 60,000 people in December.

    Mr. Kelly said stepped-up enforcement had forced smugglers to raise their prices, which most likely contributed to the decline.

    Under questioning by senators on Wednesday, Mr. Kelly defended several Trump administration policies, including what the Homeland Security Department calls “extreme vetting” of international travelers, the searching electronic devices at the border and the possible separation of mothers and children at the border to discourage immigration. Mr. Kelly told senators that children would not be routinely separated from their families unless the “situation at the time requires it,” such as when the mother is sick or addicted to drugs.

    Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri, the ranking Democrat on the committee, raised concerns that the Homeland Security Department and the State Department were considering asking visitors applying for a visa to the United States for access to their cellphones, financial records and passwords to social media accounts.

    Ms. McCaskill called the proposal “un-American” and said it could set off a diplomatic row with other countries.
    “I’m worried that if we apply ‘extreme vetting’ procedures like this, American travelers will be forced to undergo the same scrutiny if these countries decide to reciprocate,” she said. “We are doing things that in no way trips up the bad guys.”
    Mr. Kelly said that the visa-vetting procedures built on polices that had been in place for years and that foreign visitors could choose not to share their personal details.

    “If they don’t cooperate, they can go back,” he said

    Asked about searching electronic devices at the border, Mr. Kelly said that just a small number of people had had their phones or computer searched. And he said the searches had yielded results, catching pedophiles and other criminals.
    But that failed to persuade Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky, who called the policy “obscene” because it also affected citizens and green card holders.

    “There is a difference between searching my bags and searching my phones,” said Mr. Paul, who added that he was worried that customs agents were downloading contacts and other information from cellphones.

    Mr. Kelly got into a heated exchange with Senator Kamala Harris, Democrat of California, who pressed him to put his policy of separating families at the border into writing for the sake of agents at the border. Mr. Kelly said he had done so orally and did not need to put it in writing.

    Ms. Harris also questioned the use of stepped-up enforcement efforts to round up undocumented immigrants, including agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement going into courthouses and arresting witness and victims.

    “They are now allowed to do their jobs,” Mr. Kelly replied.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/05/u...pgtype=article

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    Yeah, I don't think we need a 2,000 mile border wall, only about 1,000 miles. That's what Trump said during the campaign and he's not changed his mind on this. I think the high cost you hear from the DemoQuacks is building a 2,000 mile wall. So take whatever they're howling about and divide by 2.
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    What part will not be fenced?

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    John F. Kelly, the homeland security secretary, said Wednesday that it was doubtful that a wall along the full border with Mexico would ever be built, despite an oft-repeated campaign promise by President Trump.
    Secretary Kelly was appointed by President Trump. In my view he needs to keep his personal opinions on border security to himself when those opinions differ from the man that hired him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nntrixie View Post
    What part will not be fenced?
    The remote areas where the terrain makes it unlikely for much action, mountains and so forth. At least that's what Trump said during the campaign.
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    The homeland security secretary, John F. Kelly, testified at a Senate committee hearing on Wednesday. Credit Gabriella Demczuk for The New York Times WASHINGTON — John F. Kelly, the homeland security secretary, said Wednesday that it was doubtful that a wall along the full border with Mexico would ever be built, despite an oft-repeated campaign promise by President Trump.
    Trump never said there would be a full border wall. He always said it would be about 1,000 miles of border wall, because there a lot of areas due to remote terrain such as mountains, rivers and such that would make them unlikely passage ways for illegal immigration and create their own type of barrier that wouldn't need a wall.

    I'm good with 1,000 miles of wall in the right spots. Again, I wish we didn't need it but the fact is we do.
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    The more we hear from homeland security secretary, John F. Kelly, the more we learn he is the wrong man for the job on immigration issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Trump never said there would be a full border wall. He always said it would be about 1,000 miles of border wall, because there a lot of areas due to remote terrain such as mountains, rivers and such that would make them unlikely passage ways for illegal immigration and create their own type of barrier that wouldn't need a wall.

    I'm good with 1,000 miles of wall in the right spots. Again, I wish we didn't need it but the fact is we do.
    No, that is not what he has always said. Trump, like he has done on other issues, has been inconsistent when discussing the construction and length of the border wall, fence, barrier or whatever.

    Excerpt:

    There are currently several hundred miles of border barrier separating the United States and Mexico. Trump promised during the campaign to extend a concrete barrier across the entire 1,954-mile border.

    http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news.php?id=82955

    Excerpt:

    President Trump stands behind his campaign promise to build a wall along the entire U.S.-Mexican border.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-t-build-border-wall-001200162.html

    Excerpt:

    If he were to occupy the Oval Office, Donald Trump promises to build a “beautiful” wall along the entire US-Mexican border.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/the-monitors-view/2015/0831/The-global-call-for-more-border-walls

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    If for no other reason, history will remember the 2016 presidentialelection for Donald Trump’s campaign promise to build a wall across the entire Mexico–U.S. border.

    http://www.citylab.com/work/2016/03/lets-say-trump-wins-would-anyone-design-his-border-wall/472065/


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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    No, that is not what he has always said. Trump, like he has done on other issues, has been inconsistent when discussing the construction and length of the border wall, fence, barrier or whatever.

    Excerpt:

    There are currently several hundred miles of border barrier separating the United States and Mexico. Trump promised during the campaign to extend a concrete barrier across the entire 1,954-mile border.

    http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news.php?id=82955

    Excerpt:

    President Trump stands behind his campaign promise to build a wall along the entire U.S.-Mexican border.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-t-build-border-wall-001200162.html

    Excerpt:

    If he were to occupy the Oval Office, Donald Trump promises to build a “beautiful” wall along the entire US-Mexican border.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/the-monitors-view/2015/0831/The-global-call-for-more-border-walls

    Excerpt:

    If for no other reason, history will remember the 2016 presidentialelection for Donald Trump’s campaign promise to build a wall across the entire Mexico–U.S. border.

    http://www.citylab.com/work/2016/03/lets-say-trump-wins-would-anyone-design-his-border-wall/472065/

    Trump never said that. Read your posts again. None of those statements are in quotes. This is the fake news we put up with for 18 months during the campaign. We who are Trump Supporters know what he said because we hung on his every word, every press conference, every rally. Trump never said from "sea to shining sea". Trump never said "a full border wall." Trump never said the "entire 1,954 mile length of the US-Mexico border." Never said it.

    But of course it's your free right to dump on him every chance you get and spew the opposition tales against him to try to make it look like he's "breaking his promises" to weaken his Presidency and with it what he can achieve for us.
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