Thread: Giuliani: Kids of illegal immigrants OK

Posted on Fri, Nov. 30, 2007
Giuliani: Kids of illegal immigrants OK
By JIM DAVENPORT

Republican White House hopeful Rudy Giuliani said Friday he wouldn't try to change laws that make citizens of children born in the U.S. to illegal immigrants, noting that it's a matter determined by the Constitution.
"That's a very delicate balance that's been arrived at, and I wouldn't change that," Giuliani said in response to a question while campaigning at Sun City Hilton Head, a sprawling retirement community down the South Carolina coast from Charleston.

In Wednesday night's Republican debate, Giuliani and nomination rival Mitt Romney traded accusations of being soft on illegal immigration, and Giuliani took pains to deny that New York was a "sanctuary city" for illegal immigrants during his tenure as mayor.

While New York has never used the designation, it offers protections - allowing illegal immigrants to report crimes, send kids to school or seek medical treatment without fear of being reported - similar to those in cities that label themselves sanctuary cities.

Children born in the U.S. to illegal immigrants already are American citizens, and Giuliani said he would not try to change that.

On another topic, the former New York mayor criticized his Democratic opponents, saying they argue too much over how and when they might meet with foreign leaders, including Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, with whom the U.S. is not on good terms.

Giuliani said the only invitation Ahmadinejad should get "is to read a statement of an American policy ... we will not allow you to become a nuclear power."

Friday morning's event was Giuliani's first town hall-style appearance since the report this week that a New York City police security detail billed obscure city agencies for protecting him and Judith Nathan, who later became his third wife, while he was still married to his second wife, Donna Hanover.

Giuliani's campaign wouldn't make him available to reporters Friday and he ignored a reporter's question about it afterward.

None in the crowd asked him about the billing disclosures during the event, although some grumbled about it beforehand.

"I don't think that's proper," said Paul Schaefer, 79, who is trying to decide between Giuliani and Arizona Sen. John McCain. In a close call, the security detail flap could make up his mind, he said.

It's less of a concern for 69-year-old Edward Grzelak. The affair and the political side of Giuliani's life shouldn't be linked, said the retired driver from New Jersey.

"Business is business. Personal life is another thing. One thing doesn't have a thing to do with the other," he said. Giuliani will get his vote largely because of his performance after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, Grzelak said.
http://www.miamiherald.com/692/story/327052.html

"I don't think that's proper," said Paul Schaefer, 79, who is trying to decide between Giuliani and Arizona Sen. John McCain. In a close call, the security detail flap could make up his mind, he said.

Boy, this guy really needs to get with the program. Looney and McPain have absolutely nothing to offer the American people.

Even after all of the American peoples' protests against illegal immigration since this summer, Giuliani openly supports:

1) pathway amnesty for millions of illegals.

2) a "virtual" fence over a real fence.

3) children born in the U.S. to illegal immigrants as citizens.

We have to work hard to make sure that voters know the real Giulaini. He has no credibility on illegal immigration, and is a horrible candidate.

Originally Posted by Populist

Even after all of the American peoples' protests against illegal immigration since this summer, Giuliani openly supports:

1) pathway amnesty for millions of illegals.

2) a "virtual" fence over a real fence.

3) children born in the U.S. to illegal immigrants as citizens.

We have to work hard to make sure that voters know the real Giulaini. He has no credibility on illegal immigration, and is a horrible candidate.

Giuliani, Huckabee & McCain are the worst of the lot. All three of these must absolutely be kept away from the Republican nomination.

Giuliani, Huckabee & McCain are the worst of the lot. All three of these must absolutely be kept away from the Republican nomination.

I fully agree. The above three elitists are unabashed in their love of amnesty and sell out of our country, and obviously don't experience the negative impacts of illegal immigration first hand.

Say what you want about Romney, but based on what we know now, he would be better than the above three.

Originally Posted by Populist

Say what you want about Romney, but based on what we know now, he would be better than the above three.

Of the so-called top tier, Romney and possibly Thompson are by far our only hope.

Good point zeezil. As you know, Thompson has outlined a detailed plan against illegal imigration, and I still hope he gains traction along with Hunter etc. But if they don't, and our choice is between Romney or Giuliani, I'm with Romney.

Maybe this should be on another thread so more people can see, but here is Romney's Plan against illegal immigration, not perfect but much better than Giuliani's plan for pathway amnesty and a "virtual" fence etc.:

THE ROMNEY PLAN:

Stop Illegal Immigration

*Secure The Border. Follow through on Congressional commitment to build a physical and technological fence along the southern border, and secure other points of entry.

*Implement An Enforceable Employer Verification System. Issue a biometrically-enabled and tamperproof card to non-citizens and create a national database for non-citizens so employers can easily verify their legal status in this country.

*Reject Amnesty. Do not give amnesty or any special pathway to those who have come to this country illegally.

*Punish Sanctuary Cities. Cut back federal funding to cities that are "sanctuaries" for illegal immigrants and refuse to comply with federal law or aid federal law enforcement.

*Improve Interior Enforcement. Provide resources to enforce immigration laws throughout the nation, and crackdown on employers who continue to hire illegals with stiffer fines and penalties.

*Encourage Legal Immigration. Streamline the system to recruit and retain skilled workers and welcome the best and the brightest from around the world to our universities.

http://www.mittromney.com/Issues/immigration