Thread: Hoffman says NO TO AMNESTY I say YES to vote.

Originally Posted by oldguy

quote( The answer is to create an easier path for immigrants to enter the United States – and to work here )quote

Sorry that's naive, I've lived on and near the southwest border for years we make it too easy now for people coming in,the idea a continued work program of any sort will stem the tide is incorrect.
People who hire illegals want slave labor they will continue to urge illegal workers over green card holders because it's about control and greed.

Please don't fall for the LaRaza line about not wanting Amnesty what they do want is an open border with Mexico.

American takes in more people then most countries combined at what point would we have enough unskilled uneducated people to fill the slave quota. What we do need is a moratorium on all immigration for 5 years Prosecute to the full extend those hiring illegals and then have a quota of legal immigrants after 5 years.

American is in a desperate situation,outsourcing,loss of manufacturing, bleeding money to third world countries along with nation building, greed and ignorance is killing our country.

310 million and counting.

Exactly, oldguy. Hoffman is the pro-amnesty, pro-immigration, pro-guest worker permit, no wall, no fence, no enforcement "unless they commit a crime, i. e. murder and rape someone", RINO.

What a shame. And I have no idea what the Minuteman PAC is up to endorsing Doug Hoffman, but they're up to something other than what their contributors made their donations to them to achieve on their behalf which is secure the borders, build walls, stop illegal immigration, deport those here illegally, enforce US immigration law and stop excessive immigration into the United States.

Their contributors need to look into this matter and demand some answers pronto.

Originally Posted by 93camaro

"There is no question that our immigration policies are flawed. The answer, though, is not to put up a wall and stop all immigration. The answer is to create an easier path for immigrants to enter the United States – and to work here – while at the same time getting tough on illegal immigrants who commit crimes." -- Doug Hoffman

If you really wanted to interpret this any way you want you could say that he wants to get tough on all illegals since by them crossing the border illegally that would be a "crime" and should be tough on all since none of them are innocent of committing crime against the rule of law in the United States, and we should make the immigration system easier to navigate FOR IMMIGRANTS TO ENTER the US the right way with reasonable limits.

See you could say that he believes that IMMIGRANTS that want to come here should have an easier way to do it the right way, but the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS that are already here are guilty of crime and need to be dealt with.

I say he is probably trying to get his share of the Hispanic Vote, nothing new but this time around he will be watched like a hawk by all of the voters and will have vote our way or suffer. Time will tell..

His question to himself wasn't about legal immigrants. His question is about illegal immigrants. We don't need any more immigrants legal or illegal to come here, and we don't need to make it any easier for any of them to come here. We already allow 1,500,000 legal immigrants into this country every year the way it is. Why would anyone want to make it "easier" so more can come and work here? We have 30 million Americans out of work now. Why would any candidate for Congress suggest on a question about illegal immigration that we should create anything to make it easier for foreign labor to enter the United States?

Doug doesn't want a wall to stop all immigration, he wants to create a path to make it easier to enter our country and work here. He wants to be tough on illegal aliens who commit crimes. Well, his question to himself was about illegal immigration, so if he wants to be tough on illegal aliens who commit crimes, his anwer should have been, "we need to deport illegal aliens because they committed a crime." His statement is the same as if someone asked themselves "what should we do about murderers" and answered it "we should be tough on murderers who commit murder".

He's also a Methodist, the Methodist Church supports amnesty. They even have an underground railroad to provide them sanctuary.

http://startelegram.typepad.com/politex ... ation.html

Remember Elvira Arellano, that illegal alien woman in Chicago that holed up inside a church for weeks with her son to evade federal deportation authorities? That was a Methodist Church.

http://www.newsanctuarymovement.org/gra ... y92007.pdf

http://www.doughoffmanforcongress.com/aboutus.html

We have to dig deep before we jump ship on decent Republican candidates who will vote the party line on immigration issues. Saying "no amnesty" while at the same time saying yes to "shamnesty" while touting more immigration and "easier paths" is not going to fly:

"Where do you stand on illegal immigration?

"There is no question that our immigration policies are flawed. The answer, though, is not to put up a wall and stop all immigration. The answer is to create an easier path for immigrants to enter the United States – and to work here – while at the same time getting tough on illegal immigrants who commit crimes." -- Doug Hoffman for Congress

Should we support Owens?? It seems like Hoffman is really a bad guy!

Look Judy I see you have done a lot of research on Hoffman and you tie him with some groups but its still assumption on you part to put the guy lockstep with the rest. I'm going to go with what he said and well see if he digs his own grave. The good news is that if your right, hell be exposed before taking office from the left and the right and the msm since he is conservative. I can't vote for him but I do think that now is the time to send a message to both parties that were sick of it and were voting them out! The difference Hoffman will make in congress is yet to be seen, but the message the white house and the gop will get means more right now much much more...

Originally Posted by misterbill

Should we support Owens?? It seems like Hoffman is really a bad guy!

I'm pulling for Doug Owens. He's a very nice person based on the way he ran his campaign, and he didn't tell any lies about anyone, so that's a start. I would have much rather had a Republican like Dede voting the long-standing party line against illegal immigration, but if that's not possible, I'd rather have a Blue Dog Democrat than a pro-immigration pro-free trade globalist "conservative" talking out of both sides of his mouth and lying to get what he wants.

We can deal with honest people who care about our country even when we have a different view of how to get there. But any candidate, no matter what their political affiliation, who openly wants to create a path to make it easier for people to enter our country to work here is not a candidate that we should ever support.

We're fighting for the American Worker. That is in essence who we fight for. Anyone who wants to create easier competition against that American Worker through imported foreign labor or expanded free trade is not on the same path as we.

And Doug Hoffman has made it absolutely crystal clear that he wants more immigration and more free trade treason, and if Glenn Beck was on our team, he would have nailed Hoffman on the follow-up question about what do we do with the illegal aliens that are here now and he would have informed his viewers about Doug Hoffman's position on expanding free trade treason. Glenn Beck is a globalist, he's just a capitalist globalist, instead of the Obama socialist globalist. For our cause, they're both the enemy. We need capitalist nationalists who put Americans First, who fight for American Jobs, not more immigration and defend our American industry, not add an express lane to their 4-lane highway out of the United States.

Hoffman is not our guy. He's funded by Club for Growth whose policy objective is to expand free trade which means less jobs and more immigration which means more unemployment not less, more poverty not less, more government spending not less, more national debts not less and eventually more taxes not less to pay for it.

You can not be a fiscal conservative and support more immigration and expanded free trade. That's an oxymoron.

Originally Posted by 93camaro

Look Judy I see you have done a lot of research on Hoffman and you tie him with some groups but its still assumption on you part to put the guy lockstep with the rest. I'm going to go with what he said and well see if he digs his own grave. The good news is that if your right, hell be exposed before taking office from the left and the right and the msm since he is conservative. I can't vote for him but I do think that now is the time to send a message to both parties that were sick of it and were voting them out! The difference Hoffman will make in congress is yet to be seen, but the message the white house and the gop will get means more right now much much more...

What message is that? That you want to send candidates to Congress who support expanded free trade and more immigration? I'm sure that's a message the White House will be delighted to hear and the Open Borders Traitors in the Republican Party are already pouring the champagne.

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by 93camaro

Look Judy I see you have done a lot of research on Hoffman and you tie him with some groups but its still assumption on you part to put the guy lockstep with the rest. I'm going to go with what he said and well see if he digs his own grave. The good news is that if your right, hell be exposed before taking office from the left and the right and the msm since he is conservative. I can't vote for him but I do think that now is the time to send a message to both parties that were sick of it and were voting them out! The difference Hoffman will make in congress is yet to be seen, but the message the white house and the gop will get means more right now much much more...

What message is that? That you want to send candidates to Congress who support expanded free trade and more immigration? I'm sure that's a message the White House will be delighted to hear and the Open Borders Traitors in the Republican Party are already pouring the champagne.

The message that will be sent is that we want to rid the govt. of corrupt career politicians, and wake up the Dem's and republicans that we are no longer going to vote them back in. And you just Assume that Hoffman is for Amnesty and Glenn Beck is for the same and you can't trust anybody but "Nice Guy" democrats like Owens who is probably sucking LaRaza's tit with the rest of the Dem's right now ....why not assume that too. You take amnesty supporter away from Hoffman and Glenn Beck but I don't. I guess we should all just ban all the 9.12 project stuff, and all references to Glenn form ALIPAC since you so willing to prove your assumptions, and denounce anything that might rub you wrong when it comes to something provided by Beck, since he is just a pawn for obl agenda, right?

Originally Posted by 93camaro

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by 93camaro

Look Judy I see you have done a lot of research on Hoffman and you tie him with some groups but its still assumption on you part to put the guy lockstep with the rest. I'm going to go with what he said and well see if he digs his own grave. The good news is that if your right, hell be exposed before taking office from the left and the right and the msm since he is conservative. I can't vote for him but I do think that now is the time to send a message to both parties that were sick of it and were voting them out! The difference Hoffman will make in congress is yet to be seen, but the message the white house and the gop will get means more right now much much more...

What message is that? That you want to send candidates to Congress who support expanded free trade and more immigration? I'm sure that's a message the White House will be delighted to hear and the Open Borders Traitors in the Republican Party are already pouring the champagne.

The message that will be sent is that we want to rid the govt. of corrupt career politicians, and wake up the Dem's and republicans that we are no longer going to vote them back in. And you just Assume that Hoffman is for Amnesty and Glenn Beck is for the same and you can't trust anybody but "Nice Guy" democrats like Owens who is probably sucking LaRaza's tit with the rest of the Dem's right now ....why not assume that too. You take amnesty supporter away from Hoffman and Glenn Beck but I don't. I guess we should all just ban all the 9.12 project stuff, and all references to Glenn form ALIPAC since you so willing to prove your assumptions, and denounce anything that might rub you wrong when it comes to something provided by Beck, since he is just a pawn for obl agenda, right?

No, I supported the mainstream Republican who would have voted the party line against immigration. Between a free trade globalist who touts more immigration on his website with no party line to vote, yeah, I'll take the Blue Dog Democrat representing the people of his district, any day over that.

I like Glenn Beck, and watch his show often. I also have no problem Glenn or his 9/12 project right up and to the point where he uses it to tell lies about a decent person to try to change the outcome of a US election.

Beck is a pawn for the Club for Growth and FreedomWorks Free Trade and Bush's Guest Worker Permit Agenda which is the same as National Council of La Raza's Shamnesty Agenda. FreedomWorks is Dick Armey's organization who endorsed Doug Hoffman:

Straight from the the FreedomWorks website:

http://www.freedomworks.org/issues/free-trade

"Free Trade

"The Issue

"Trade in goods, services, and investment capital improves the quality of life for all people. Free trade drives the efficiency of the global economy and creates wealth. It is also an issue of freedom-- Americans should be able to buy and sell legal products without government interference.

"Free trade benefits America, but there remains strong political opposition to our freedom. Companies that aren't competitive will seek protection from the government. Other opponents of trade are simply against capitalism.

"The FreedomWorks Position

"The problem is that the benefits of trade are shared across the economy, but the benefits of protectionism are highly visible. For example, if an uncompetitive factory closes, we can see directly the unfortunate human and financial cost. Yet, at the same time, trade is elsewhere creating more new jobs in growing industries-- a process that isn't visible in the local newspapers.

"Americans are the most productive and innovative people in the world. Yet, the United States has only 5% of the world's population. We cannot afford to close our borders to the world's markets and goods."

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"Border Security

"The Issue

"Large-scale illegal border crossings-- the vast majority for economic reasons-- are compromising the security of America's borders.

"The FreedomWorks Position

"A combined approach of a temporary worker and border security program is the obvious way forward for Congress and America. Proposals like the plan offered by Rep. Mike Pence (R-Indiana) recognize that we will not be able to effectively secure our borders unless we also address economic realities. By providing American employers and temporary guest workers a legal way to operate, we can eliminate the source of much of the current lawlessness at the border. Reducing the overall flow of illegal traffic at the border will allow law enforcement to focus on stopping criminal gangs and capturing terrorists."

http://www.freedomworks.org/issues/border-security

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Straight out of the National Council of La Raza Shamnesty Play Book isn' it? Just give them a permit, collect a fee, and problem solved.

We are in our Period of Ironies and Opposites. Beware.

Judy if you feel Glenn spewed out lies about Dede then call him up on the show and point it out to him on air and he will fix it. He begs people every night to do it!! Blow up his blogs on 9.12 project and his website and call his show and prove him wrong then. I Guess you should call out Michelle Malkin for this one too,

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I researched Owens and he is actually an independent who thought he would not have a chance if he did not run as a Dem.

The Progressives are not happy with him,they say he is a Blue Dog.

I could not find any statements he has made about immigration.He seems to be a honest moderate who cares about those he will represents.

At least he is not a far left liberal.