Thread: Honduras braces for US deportation of its citizens

Honduras is actually a nice country. It has a very low unemployment rate of 4.3%. They just see what Mexico gets away with and tell themselves "I want me some of that". It's ridiculous. Shameful and like how the illegal aliens from Mexico have turned most Americans against Mexico so it goes with the Central American countries. No one likes thieves or cons. Except Obama and Congress. I guess they share a kindred spirit.

Originally Posted by Judy

Honduras is actually a nice country. It has a very low unemployment rate of 4.3%. They just see what Mexico gets away with and tell themselves "I want me some of that". It's ridiculous. Shameful and like how the illegal aliens from Mexico have turned most Americans against Mexico so it goes with the Central American countries. No one likes thieves or cons. Except Obama and Congress. I guess they share a kindred spirit.

I guess that would depend on ones definition of nice. It takes a lot more than a low unemployment rate to make a "nice country" in my opinion. Honduras is not called the "murder capital of the world" without cause. Honduras is a country overrun by drug violence. The country is part of a key corridor for drugs coming to the U.S. from South America. In Honduras, the odds are overwhelming that someone can literally get away with murder. Most of the country's murders go unsolved because of corrupt and undermanned law enforcement. Effective Oct. 2015, the Department of State continues to warn U.S. citizens that the level of crime and violence in Honduras remains critically high. This is not a country that I would want to visit anytime soon.

In no way are my comments above to be construed as supporting the illegal entry of Hondurans into the United States. As a sovereign nation we decide who is and isn't allowed in our country. Allowing folks in from these excessively violent countries is a mistake (IMO) because many of them bring a violent mentality with them. They have, for the most part, been desensitized to violence which makes it much more likely that they will have a violent nature. For example, look at the situation with the Somalians. It is my belief the saying that violence breeds violence holds true. The internet is full of stories like those I've linked below:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...ennepin-county

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41446307/n.../#.VowK1K31lSE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwgPWJhVhTM

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/32010471/n.../#.VowLa631lSE

http://www.limitstogrowth.org/articl...try-to-fix-it/

http://www.examiner.com/article/two-...rorism-charges

http://www.startribune.com/alleged-s...sota/69713097/

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2015/04...st-probe-video

Every year some country has the highest murder rate. It's not why people are coming here. They're coming here because Mexico gets away with it and they think they can as well because of CAFTA.

Originally Posted by Judy

Every year some country has the highest murder rate. It's not why people are coming here. They're coming here because Mexico gets away with it and they think they can as well because of CAFTA.

They come here to live off the American people and suck our country dry.

Originally Posted by Judy

Every year some country has the highest murder rate. It's not why people are coming here. They're coming here because Mexico gets away with it and they think they can as well because of CAFTA.

My response to your post was because you said Honduras was a nice country. It didn't have anything to do with why people come here.

Honduras - 10 Best Places To Retire

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This country of friendly people, sun-splashed beaches, fresh food, a reliable infrastructure and a remarkably low cost of living offers one of the best life styles to be found anywhere in the world.

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Originally Posted by Judy

Honduras - 10 Best Places To Retire

If you’re thinking of retiring to a new country, you need to take a long hard look at Honduras – many consider it one of the 10 best places to retire in the world.

This country of friendly people, sun-splashed beaches, fresh food, a reliable infrastructure and a remarkably low cost of living offers one of the best life styles to be found anywhere in the world.

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http://www.10bestplacestoretire.com/honduras.php

For goodness sake, this is an advertisement. You go ahead an retire there if you like. The U.S. State Department doesn't issue these warnings without out justifiable cause:

Effective Oct. 2015, the Department of State continues to warn U.S. citizens that the level of crime and violence in Honduras remains critically high.

Originally Posted by MW

For goodness sake, this is an advertisement. You go ahead an retire there if you like. The U.S. State Department doesn't issue these warnings without out justifiable cause:

Effective Oct. 2015, the Department of State continues to warn U.S. citizens that the level of crime and violence in Honduras remains critically high.

Our State Department does all sorts of things without justifiable cause. Where have you been?! Iran, Libya, Benghazi, Syria ... etc., etc., etc.

Why you want to criticize a nice country you know nothing about is beyond me, but, we'll just leave it as yet another topic about which we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Why is Honduras So Violent?

Written by Ashley Miller and Harold Trinkunas*
Monday, 19 October 2015

Marchers walk past body bags in Honduras

Times are tough in Honduras. Worse, many of the country’s challenges are transnational in origin and are beyond the capacity of Hondurans to solve alone. They have nonetheless had a corrosive effect on Honduran society and its institutions. After the success of Plan Colombia and Mexico's crackdown on drug trafficking under President Felipe Calderon, Honduras became a major transshipment point for illicit drugs flowing to the United States.

It remains one of the most violent countries in the world due to a serious organized crime problem associated with drug trafficking and gangs. This has produced both internal displacement and a wave of undocumented immigrants to the United States (including unaccompanied minors). Drug trafficking has contributed to corruption, impunity, and insecurity in Honduras.

President Juan Orlando Hernandez, who took office in 2014, responded with a crackdown on crime and the militarization of law enforcement, but faces serious criticism over corruption in government and human rights abuses by the security forces.

This article was originally published by Brookings, and is reprinted with permission. See the original here.

This week, the Honduran government accepted a proposed Organization of American States (OAS) mission to counter corruption and impunity, the MACCIH (Mision de Apoyo en Contra de la Corrupcion e Impunidad en Honduras). President Juan Orlando Hernandez also announced at the United Nations General Assembly that he had secured support for a permanent UN human rights monitoring mission in Honduras.

These are welcome signals from the government of a highly troubled country. But whether the international community can have a positive effect on the situation in Honduras depends on how these external missions are implemented and led, and the degree to which the Hernandez administration has the political will to take what will undoubtedly be difficult steps to overcome fierce resistance from entrenched political and economic interests.

Steps Forward and Backwards

Honduras has seen some improvement in recent years. President Hernandez was elected in 2013 on a platform of reducing violence, combating organized crime, and increasing prosperity. Since he took office, the rate of intentional homicide has been reduced from 79 per 100,000 to 68 per 100,000, according to the Observatory of Violence at the National Autonomous University of Honduras. And according to US officials, drug trafficking is down significantly as well.

SEE ALSO: Coverage of Homicides

While trend lines appear to be headed in the right direction, the situation in Honduras remains dire. As a result, Honduras, together with El Salvador and Guatemala, has appealed for international support in the form of a proposed Alliance for Prosperity in the Northern Triangle of Central America, a proposal developed in conjunction with the Inter-American Development Bank and the US government. Clearly the Honduran government is seeking to secure international support to address its domestic crisis.

Under the Microscope

President Hernandez’s efforts (and lack of progress) have not been uncontroversial in Honduras. Protesters have been on the streets of Tegucigalpa for months calling for his resignation and an end to government corruption and human rights violations.

The proposed MACCIH seeks to help address citizens’ concerns. It appears to emulate some, but not all, key aspects of the CICIG (International Commission Against Impunity in Guatemala), the UN-led commission to combat impunity in Guatemala. The MACCIH will include independent judges and prosecutors to “supervise and lend specialized technical support” to their Honduran counterparts; a role for the Justice Studies Center of the Americas in proposing reforms to Honduran legislation; an internationally supported review of the effectiveness of the public security system in Honduras; and a civil society observatory to evaluate and measure progress towards reform.

Protesters demanding the resignation of President Juan Orlando Hernandez in July 2015

President Hernandez takes a risk in welcoming the OAS-led MACCIH. After all, the CICIG in Guatemala contributed to building the case against President Otto Perez Molina on corruption charges, which led to his resignation and arrest.

OAS Secretary-General Almagro has made it clear that transparency is one of the principal tools available to the international community, should the Honduran government resist implementing the reforms proposed by MACCIH. He has also promised to release all MACCIH findings.

A UN human rights monitoring mission for Honduras, similar to those which have functioned with great autonomy and integrity in other states in crisis, will further add to the amount of information available to the Honduran public and international community about government progress towards reform.

With these recent initiatives, Honduras appears to be signaling that it is open to the international community’s help. And should increased US aid be approved for Honduras in support of the Alliance for Progress, the US Congress will undoubtedly add to the international scrutiny of the Honduran government’s efforts to address the present crisis.

SEE ALSO: Honduras News and Profiles

But beyond contributing to transparency, how will regional and international mechanisms help Honduras during this critical time? Here is where MACCIH will be imperative because of its focus on improving the judicial system and building prosecutorial capacity in Honduras. Because of the potential contributions MACCIH can make to reducing impunity, we should raise questions now about its ability to function as independently -- and effectively -- as the CICIG has in Guatemala. At the very least, the process for selecting international judges and prosecutors must be absolutely transparent, and the MACCIH will have to interpret its mandate broadly to include both supervising and supporting the Honduran justice system (as stated in the OAS proposal), rather than merely accompanying it in its labors.

Looking Forward

At an Alan and Jane Batkin International Leaders Forum at Brookings this week, President Hernandez indicated a desire to benefit from “lessons learned” of others to address the deep seated challenges his country faces. At least some in Honduras’ judiciary have shown their commitment to reducing impunity by beginning a trial this week against congressional vice president and ruling National Party member Lena Gutierrez for her role in a medical sales scandal.

Critics in Honduras and the United States have correctly pointed out thatHonduras has had a terrible track record on fighting impunity and corruption. There are undoubtedly entrenched, corrupt interests in Honduras that will oppose reform. The Hernandez administration would be wise to take advantage of greater transparency and scrutiny to pursue actions recommended by OAS and UN-led missions to their fullest extent, some of which will undoubtedly cut close to the interests of Honduras’ elites.

If the government tries to deflect the efforts of the international bodies whose support it has invited, this will quickly become apparent to all. That would provide ammunition for its critics at home and further increase political pressure for change in this troubled country.

Even if the international community is unable to help Honduras fully address its most troubling challenges (organized crime, corruption, human rights violations), at the very least the enhanced level of scrutiny will put the government on notice to deliver on its commitments to improve -- or have its shortcomings exposed for all to see.

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Sun drenched places are promoted as paradise. If you talk to travelers, one can only stay and not wander far at all from the resort towns - if you value your life. Any of the central american countries, that goes for mexico too.

Real estate bargains galore in beautiful European countries, Mediterranean areas included BUT because of the middle eastern muslims taken in & hordes of asylum seekers from Africa, it is destroyed. Police are very lax so you cannot count on them for protection. Tons of videos on You Tube of towns being upturned, no one stopping it.

Europe will soon just have certain tourist towns and the other areas unsafe - almost at that level now. Proof that immigration ONLY works in reasonable numbers otherwise the natives leave or are diluted and the fabric of the blood line, the customs are destroyed.

Saudi ordered - they are doing a good job of having muslims everywhere in the world. Bush, O and Hillary enabled the muslim spread too by destroying their rulers.

I like to see mainly Irish in Ireland, Germans in Germany, French in France, and Australians in Australia. Countries always had enjoyable little pockets of assorted ethnic flavors, that comes with reasonable immigration levels.

We do not take in Europeans anymore - a disgrace.