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    House GOP leaders fear support eroding for Trump’s shutdown fight

    House GOP leaders fear support eroding for Trump’s shutdown fight

    A growing number of Republican lawmakers could vote for Democratic measures to reopen the federal government.

    By JOHN BRESNAHAN and SARAH FERRIS
    01/07/2019 06:22 PM EST

    Several dozen House Republicans might cross the aisle this week to vote for Democratic bills to reopen shuttered parts of the federal government, spurring the White House into a dramatic effort to stem potential GOP defections.

    White House officials and Republican congressional leaders worry that GOP support for the shutdown is eroding, weakening President Donald Trump’s hand as he seeks billions of dollars for a border wall that Democrats have vowed to oppose, according to GOP lawmakers and aides.

    Hoping to sway skeptics in his party and the broader public, Trump will make an Oval Office address Tuesday night to discuss what he called the “Humanitarian and National Security Crisis on our Southern Border," he said on Twitter. Then he will visit the border region on Thursday.

    Vice President Mike Pence and Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen will address House Republicans on Tuesday evening. The House is scheduled to vote Wednesday on a Democratic bill designed to fund the IRS and several other agencies, the first of four bills Democrats hope will peel off Trump's GOP support in the House.

    Without more money, the IRS could have a problem processing tax refunds. Russ Vought, acting director of the Office of Management and Budget, reversed course Monday and said refunds will be paid out, another move by the White House to mitigate the effects of the shutdown.

    The Democratic funding measure is one of several narrow measures that Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and party leaders will push forward this week. The bills are designed to put pressure on GOP lawmakers to break with Trump and support re-opening the nine departments hit by the 17-day shutdown. More than 800,000 federal workers are currently not getting paid — roughly 350,000 remain on the job without pay — with their first missed paycheck coming later this week.

    Despite the White House PR blitz, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) and other senior Republicans believe that “a significant bloc” of House Republicans could vote with Democrats on the funding measures, according to GOP lawmakers and aides.

    A senior House GOP aide said McCarthy and his top lieutenants believe 15 to 25 Republicans will vote with Democrats this week, possibly even more.

    "We have a lot of members who are gonna want to vote for these things," said the GOP aide, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "Publicly, we will never tell them to do it. Privately, we will tell them to do what they have to do."

    However, GOP leaders say they can keep that number below 55, a key threshold. That many Republican defections, coupled with all House Democrats, would reach 290 "yes" votes, a veto-proof majority. House Democrats can't overcome Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's (R-Ky.) refusal to bring up their bills, but such a vote would signal the House can override a Trump veto, a major blow to the president and his allies.

    “The biggest thing we can do to back the president up is to keep it below veto proof,” the GOP aide added. “That's a win for us.”

    “I think the more that you have people not getting paid, the more the stories coming out about the hardships this shutdown is creating, not just for federal workers but those who rely on federal agencies to get their work done, people are shaking their heads,” said Oregon Rep. Greg Walden one of seven House Republicans who voted with Democrats last week to reopen the government. “I think it’s a pretty unsustainable position, and I felt that early on.”

    In forcing these votes, Pelosi and Democratic leaders have copied a GOP tactic from the 2013 shutdown, when a battle over Obamacare led to a 16-day government shutdown.

    At the time, House GOP leaders made Democrats take dozens of votes to fund national parks, low-income nutrition assistance, Head Start and the Federal Emergency Management Agency, among others.

    The first House vote, which will take place Wednesday, will dare GOP lawmakers to vote against funding for a slew of financial agencies including the IRS. A “no” vote — Democrats argued before Monday's comments from OMB — is a vote to delay tax refunds to U.S. taxpayers.

    The same funding package includes a 1.9 percent pay raise for the nation’s 2 million civilian federal workers, a large chunk of whom have been working without pay since the shutdown began.

    Democrats will also force Republicans to vote separately on bills that include funding for food stamps and some federal mortgage programs.

    Back in 2013, roughly two dozen Democrats sided with the GOP on nearly every spending bill. A bill to fund veterans’ benefits won support from 35 Democrats.

    White House officials and GOP leaders privately say a similar number of Republicans will vote for Democratic bills this week, a blow to Trump but not a fatal one.

    "Yes, there is some concern. Look at what happened in 2013. There were a ton of defections," a White House official said. "We're trying to make sure House Republicans know the facts. I think it's less a concern about votes, and more than that, we want to make sure they know the facts."

    Last week, only seven House Republicans voted for Pelosi’s plan to reopen the government without extra money for Trump’s border barrier. Most of the "yes" votes were moderate Republicans from swing districts, as well as Walden, a GOP leadership ally who said he decided to support the funding bills to stop the pain hitting national parks in his district.

    Pence called some Republicans to persuade them to vote against the Democratic bill, GOP leadership aides said. And Republican lawmakers who supported the proposal heard complaints from party leaders.

    “We’ve been in touch with those members and others,” Pence told reporters Monday when asked about certain Republicans expressing concern with the shutdown. “I’ll be on Capitol Hill tomorrow before the president's national address briefing House members with the [Homeland Security] secretary. We're going to be on Capitol Hill meeting with the Senate on Wednesday.”

    “Republican leadership is leaning on folks. They were pretty pissed at the seven Republicans who voted for the package last week,” said an aide to a Republican who voted in favor of the Democratic proposal.

    House Republicans are also searching for a strategy to rebut the Democrats’ plan. GOP leaders are eyeing procedural tactics to force Democrats to take tough votes as well. One idea is to force Democrats to take a vote against increasing funding for Election Assistance Grants, according to a House GOP aide familiar with the plans.

    House Republican Conference Vice Chair Mark Walker said the GOP will “weather the storm” as Democrats pile on pressure this week to get Republicans to break with Trump over the shutdown.

    “You’re always going to have defections when it comes to certain tough issues,” Walker said of the Democrats’ funding tactics, but added the “overwhelming majority” of House Republicans will stick together.

    “People are going to start hurting really badly,” Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (R-Fla.) said of looming mortgage payments for furloughed employees. “But this is nothing, this is fake, which is unfortunate… It’s another [Democratic] messaging attempt. It’s all for naught.”

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    The government shutdown was wrong to begin with. End it now, with some grace, with some dignity. This was not a fight, it was a suicide mission.

    Americans want this blah blah over. You've ruined the end of the most fabulous second year of a Presidency with a self-made failure. You've ruined Christmas, you've ruined New Year's, you're ruining January, it's disgusting. This is not courage, this is not noble, this is not brave .... this is just plain ole stupid.

    You do not have the votes, you are not going to get the votes, you will be over-ridden with a veto, AFTER the whole country hates all of you, AFTER you've pushed the whole conversation about immigration into a over-talked, over-walked, obnoxious area of conversation that Americans don't want to see on their Tee Vee and frankly no longer want to hear about. They want solutions and if you don't have any, which you don't, because you lost the mid-terms, then go fix something you can actually do something about.

    Trump needs to cancel the big whatever tomorrow night, have a press conference first thing in the morning, tell the country you do not believe the DemoQuacks will ever vote for border security, therefore you are pursuing other Executive Branch alternatives which could take many months to determine what is possible and what is not and you are not going to hold up innocent federal workers or our government 1 more day while you find out what the other options are.

    JUST END IT NOW! NOW!!

    Get this foolish charade over with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post

    AFTER you've pushed the whole conversation about immigration into a over-talked, over-walked, obnoxious area of conversation that Americans don't want to see on their Tee Vee and frankly no longer want to hear about. They want solutions and if you don't have any, which you don't, because you lost the mid-terms, then go fix something you can actually do something about.

    Unreal, sometimes you give the impression you care much more about business and Stock Market than the invasion of our country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    House GOP leaders fear support eroding for Trump’s shutdown fight

    A growing number of Republican lawmakers could vote for Democratic measures to reopen the federal government.

    By JOHN BRESNAHAN and SARAH FERRIS
    01/07/2019 06:22 PM EST

    Several dozen House Republicans might cross the aisle this week to vote for Democratic bills to reopen shuttered parts of the federal government, spurring the White House into a dramatic effort to stem potential GOP defections.
    Of course they will, just trying to come up with an excuse. The Shutdown is probably more like sending the military to the border, more political kabuki, than anything else.
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    The shutdown is an A to Z Loser. If 10 million DemoQuacks called House DemoQuacks and said "end this, give Trump the money, I think we need the wall", House DemoQuacks will tell them, "if we give him the money, you can forget winning in 2020, is THAT what you want?" "Oh no, we don't want THAT." "Alright then, go back your cheetos and soap operas and let us run the Congress". "Ok, sorry I bothered you."

    There is no way to win this. End it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders View Post
    Unreal, sometimes you give the impression you care much more about business and Stock Market than the invasion of our country.
    Yep, it does seem sort of odd that a fellow ALIPAC member would encourage President Trump to cave on his signature campaign promise. We won't even bring up the promise he made to not sign another DHS funding bill lacking the money for proper border security to include his wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders View Post
    Unreal, sometimes you give the impression you care much more about business and Stock Market than the invasion of our country.
    I care about it all. I trust this President to do everything humanly possible plus some to fix our country, including our immigration system, both illegal and excess legal immigration. And I know he will.

    But I do not approve of this government shutdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    The shutdown is an A to Z Loser. If 10 million DemoQuacks called House DemoQuacks and said "end this, give Trump the money, I think we need the wall", House DemoQuacks will tell them, "if we give him the money, you can forget winning in 2020, is THAT what you want?" "Oh no, we don't want THAT." "Alright then, go back your cheetos and soap operas and let us run the Congress". "Ok, sorry I bothered you."

    There is no way to win this. End it now.


    Sometimes you don't get to pick your battles but are forced into them by circumstance. This was not a battle Trump could have avoided without coming off looking like a cowardice fool! Win or lose, I commend Trump for having the courage to finally stand his ground and fight for what he claims to believe in!

    The real test will be how he stands up to the Democrat and RINO criticism.
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    You always pick your battles. This isn't military combat, it's civilian politics. Get real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    You always pick your battles. This isn't military combat, it's civilian politics. Get real.
    You're entitled to your opinion as I'm entitled to mine. No you don't always get to pick your battles. This is a stand Trump had to make. Had he chose to do otherwise he would have been horribly lambasted by the conservative media and a large portion of is base. Moreover, his chance at a 2020 reelection would have been "bigly" crippled. That's the reality whether you want to believe it or not.

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