Thread: Immigration a Big Issue to NH, Iowa GOP

Immigration a Big Issue to NH, Iowa GOP
By HOLLY RAMER – 4 hours ago

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — At opposite sides of New Hampshire, John McCain faced two corporate audiences in two college towns earlier this month. Only one topic came up in both places when he starting taking questions: illegal immigration.

The Republican presidential hopeful gets so many questions — sometimes hostile — about immigration at his town hall meetings that he quips, "This meeting is adjourned," before explaining his position at length. It was the first question asked when he visited the spacious headquarters of C&S Wholesale Grocers, a multibillion-dollar grocery supplier in Keene. A day earlier, an employee at a gleaming printing press manufacturer in Durham appeared skeptical after hearing him explain his stance, which prompted McCain to give her a chance to respond.

"I just think it's not fair to all the people who came here legally and went through the process and now all the illegals, you're just gonna give 'em citizenship?" she said. "That's not fair."

In a recent Associated Press-Pew Research Center poll, 17 percent of likely Republican voters in the New Hampshire's first-in-the-nation presidential primary named illegal immigration as the one issue they want to hear candidates talk about, making it second only to Iraq. In Iowa, where caucuses kick of the presidential nominating season, immigration was the leading issue for 18 percent of Republicans, ahead of Iraq.

The figures are somewhat surprising in New Hampshire, a state of 1.3 million people with a small immigrant population and even smaller illegal one. There were 14,000 more foreign-born residents in the state last year than in 2000, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. A report last year by the Pew Hispanic Center estimated the state is home to somewhere between 10,000 and 30,000 illegal immigrants.

Andrew Smith, director of the University of New Hampshire Survey Center, said he has believed for a year or so that illegal immigration would be important in the GOP primary because it strikes so many chords. There's the economic argument: Illegal immigrants are taking jobs from Americans. There's the legal one: They're breaking the law. There's the cultural argument: They're not assimilating into American culture. And then there's what Smith calls the "racial overlay."

"You've got all these different facets of this issue, which is just primed and ready to go off," said Smith, whose most recent poll also had immigration as the number two issue for New Hampshire Republicans.

It doesn't matter that New Hampshire has little direct experience.

"It's the kind of issue that you don't have to be impacted by it personally to be concerned about," Smith said.

JoAnn Sherman, 54, of New Boston, N.H., considers illegal immigration second in importance only to the war on terrorism. Though she says she welcomes legal immigrants who assimilate into American culture, she feels strongly about illegal immigration.

"It's costing those of us who work and pay taxes millions and millions of dollars to support these people who shouldn't be here in the first place," she said. "They're getting free health care, they're getting schooling for their children. Yes, they're working, but they're not paying taxes. They're here, and being a drain more than they're producing."

"And it goes along with the terror issue because it's telling us we don't know who's in this country," she said.

GOP state chairmen in both New Hampshire and Iowa say concerns about national security have made illegal immigration a top issue in their states.

"People are worried about not just illegal immigrants that can come over from Mexico, they just can come over from all over the world," said Iowa chairman Ray Hoffman. "I think this is their fear of the safety of our country."

Sherman plans to vote for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in New Hampshire's Jan. 8 primary partly because of his stance on illegal immigration.

Romney has proposed bolstering border patrols, creating employment eligibility cards and penalizing employers who hire illegal aliens who lack the cards. He also has criticized rival Rudy Giuliani for discouraging the prosecution of illegal immigrants while he was mayor of New York — an accusation Giuliani deflected in a recent debate by pointing out that Romney had illegal immigrants work on his lawn.

Romney, who leads in New Hampshire in the AP poll but faces a surging former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee in Iowa, is seen by Republicans in both states as the candidate best able to handle illegal immigration. Huckabee recently released his own immigration plan, which takes a tough stance similar to those taken by Romney and other GOP rivals. But Huckabee has been more forgiving in the past of some here illegally: As Arkansas governor, he attempted to make children of illegal immigrants eligible for scholarships and in-state college tuition.

Huckabee defends those moves.

"In all due respect, we are a better country than to punish children for what their parents did," he said last month.

Last week, Romney began airing the first negative ad of his campaign in Iowa, criticizing Huckabee's record on immigration.

"Mitt Romney stood up, and vetoed in-state tuition for illegal aliens, opposed driver's licenses for illegals. Mike Huckabee? Supported in-state tuition benefits for illegal immigrants. Huckabee even supported taxpayer-funded scholarships for illegal aliens. On immigration, the choice matters," the ad's narrator intones.

McCain, meanwhile, has regained some of the support he lost last spring when he was pushing a comprehensive immigration bill that ultimately failed in Congress. He still supports a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, but has emphasized recently that securing the borders must come first. Sherman said she appreciates McCain's new attitude.

"Senator McCain learned the hard way that his approach was not the right one," she said.

In Durham, McCain told the skeptical employee at Goss International that under his bill, illegal immigrants seeking to become citizens would have had to pay fines and get in line behind those here legally. But he also offered a broader perspective.

"They are God's children. They are human beings. Many of them come just because they need a job. And I think many of them, as you know, are badly exploited and mistreated by these coyotes and others," he said. "So I think we ought to be sure we look at the humanitarian side of this issue to try to make sure that all human beings are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, whether they are citizens of this country or not."
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Originally Posted by John McCain

"They are God's children. They are human beings. Many of them come just because they need a job. And I think many of them, as you know, are badly exploited and mistreated by these coyotes and others," he said. "So I think we ought to be sure we look at the humanitarian side of this issue to try to make sure that all human beings are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, whether they are citizens of this country or not."

They are God's children, isn't everyone? The only difference is these children broke the law and are now squatters claiming rights. That doesn't sound like they'd be good citizens to me.

"They are God's children. They are human beings. Many of them come just because they need a job. And I think many of them, as you know, are badly exploited and mistreated by these coyotes and others," he said. "So I think we ought to be sure we look at the humanitarian side of this issue to try to make sure that all human beings are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, whether they are citizens of this country or not."

ALL children are God's children. Doesn't mean we should be responsible for all the children on earth! Illegal aliens and their children of illegals are exploiting OUR children and it MUST stop NOW!

"So I think we ought to be sure we look at the humanitarian side of this issue to try to make sure that all human beings are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, whether they are citizens of this country or not."

our founding fathers were also concered with the endowed rights of their creator.

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,.....

We do not kill our deportees, so we are not interfering with the right to life.

Any liberties they had in their own country they used to abuse and break the law of ours. even our forefathers acknowledged that these rights could be taken away when crimes have been committed. Thomas Jefferson had these thoughts:

The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.

And I find nothing wrong with letting them seek their happiness in the country of their birth. If they had wanted to do it in mine, they should have followed the laws of my country. Laws placed here to protect the rights of our citizens. Jefferson also said:

No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him.

When they steal our identities, murder and molest our citizens, then aggression has been committed.

I firmly believe that McCain and the others need to remember this:

When wrongs are pressed because it is believed they will be borne, resistance becomes morality.
Thomas Jefferson