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    Kucinich stands up for 'child citizens'

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    Archive Oct. 2001 - 2007 editions 2007 Editions Aug. 11, 2007
    Author: Emile Schepers
    People's Weekly World Newspaper, 08/09/07 12:14


    Last week, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) became the first 2008 presidential candidate to co-sponsor a bill that protects U.S.-born children from being forcibly separated from their parents who face deportation.

    The Child Citizen Protection Act, HR 1176, was introduced in February by Rep. Jose Serrano (D-N.Y.). The bill seeks to remedy the damage done by a piece of 1996 legislation, the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRAIRA). Before IIRAIRA was enacted, immigration judges had much more discretion than they do now to stop deportation proceedings against noncitizens. One of the grounds on which such proceedings were stopped in the past was the damage that would be done to children of the immigrant who were born in the United States and thus are U.S. citizens.

    The situation of Elvira Arellano, in sanctuary in a church in Chicago after being ordered deported in spite of having a U.S. citizen child, plus those of an estimated 4 million other U.S. citizen children of undocumented immigrants or other immigrants facing deportation, would be addressed by Serrano’s bill.

    In addition, IIRAIRA and another 1996 law, the Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act, greatly increased the number of things for which a noncitizen living legally in the U.S. could be arrested and deported. Under these laws, convictions for relatively minor crimes (e.g. minor drug possession in some cases) now are cause for deportation, even if the crimes were committed and paid for years ago and the individual has lived an exemplary life ever since. People who have been free of all legal worries for 25 years or more have suddenly been whisked away from their families and put on an airplane out of the country as a result of these laws.

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    The way I see it or not if you are under the age of 18 and your parents are illegal so are you! These children have no citizenship! If there parents are deported who takes care of them? The tax payers! The 14th Amendment need to be revised big time!!! These children go where there parents go! PERIOD!
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    Re: Kucinich stands up for 'child citizens'

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    Archive Oct. 2001 - 2007 editions 2007 Editions Aug. 11, 2007
    Author: Emile Schepers
    People's Weekly World Newspaper, 08/09/07 12:14

    bills introduced in Congress in 2006 or 2007 have not included this.

    HR 1176 gives immigration judges the right to give people facing deportation a break based on the interests of their minor U.S.-citizen children, but it does not guarantee that a judge will act mercifully or responsibly. But as the situation currently stands, a judge who wants to do the right thing cannot; his or her hands are tied.

    The bill is not only directed toward children of undocumented immigrants, but also those of legal immigrants who are facing deportation and the difficult choice of either breaking up their families or taking their children into what would often be a dangerous and impoverished exile.


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    Give me a break. What illegal family does not have an achor baby.
    They is the main reason the automatic birthright citizenship should be ended. They are also citizens of Mexico because their parents are.

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    Is automatic birthright citizenship written anywhere as being an actual fact, or is this just one of those "assumed" things?

    Unless, I'm wrong, short of some ammendment to our Constitution, or some type legislation which was passed, there is no such thing so these kids should not even be an issue.
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    At least we know where he stands. All the other dems would do the same thing. They just don't want to come out of the closet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azwreath
    Is automatic birthright citizenship written anywhere as being an actual fact, or is this just one of those "assumed" things?

    Unless, I'm wrong, short of some ammendment to our Constitution, or some type legislation which was passed, there is no such thing so these kids should not even be an issue.
    Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History

    1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor
    shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

    3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.


    4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

    5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
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    Bye, Dennis. Nice knowing you. When is this idiot's Congressional seat up for re-election? Ohio needs to get some new representation.

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    This bill, if signed into law, will only give us more Elvira's! Got to love those Democrats.

    This is a desparation move on Kucinich's part. He needs some serious help in the polls, and is obviously attempting to get it from the Hispanic community............and the pandering continues.

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    Talk about encourgeing more illegal to come here and have anchor babies, I don't think so, this needs to be on our protest list for Sept. another bill to put a stop to!! and fast! Sept. is going to be very busy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by azwreath
    Is automatic birthright citizenship written anywhere as being an actual fact, or is this just one of those "assumed" things?
    The only thing that currently gives them citizenship is USCIS policy. In other words the President could stop this if he wanted to. Or Congress could pass a law to end it.

    The Senators who wrote the 14th Amendment specifically said it did not apply to foreigners, aliens, that the parents had to be "under the COMPLETE jurisdiction" of the USA.

    In 1898 the Supreme Court used judicial activism to extend birthright citizenship to the children of legal immigrants, but also specifically said the babies of foreign invaders were not US citizens.

    I agree, Kucinich and any other Congressperson who does not want to end this needs to get booted out of office. Same goes for the President, which means Tancredo and Paul need to be the front runners. I don't know Romney's position on this, but I think Rudy want to continue the anchor baby scam.
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