Thread: L.A. city prosecutors file lawsuit aimed at MS-13 gang

L.A. city prosecutors file lawsuit aimed at MS-13 gang

2:51 PM, February 13, 2009

Los Angeles city prosecutors filed a lawsuit today aimed at curtailing gang and narcotics activity at a Pico-Union apartment complex, which authorities contend is the epicenter of the Mara Salvatrucha gang’s empire.

The drug abatement and public nuisance lawsuit seeks a court order forcing the apartment owner to curtail criminal activity at the property. It also seeks an order appointing a receiver who would assume control of managing of the property. The lawsuit is the latest effort by City Atty. Rocky Delgadillo’s office to use the civil courts to crack down on alleged gang hangouts. Prosecutors allege owner Jacob Libman allows the gang -- known as MS-13 -- to live in, and use, the building as a stronghold for illicit activity.

“We are using every tool against this gang,â€

as if a lawsuit is going to stop them.
GO IN WITH RIOT GEAR and arrest all those losers. and if they shoot first,
well, defend yourself..

oh wait, the former gang member, 4 time bar exam flunky mayor of LA will just side with the gang members, just like he did in the melee at mac arthur park in 07

They need to stop diddling around with Mara Salvatrucha and every other gang bangers and declare these gangs terrorist organizations and go after them under the Federal RICO statute!

Essentially the city of LA has passed the buck to the apartment complex owner, in which the gangs simply move to another apartment complex and continue with their illegal and often dangerous activities!

How about going after the gangs DIRECTLY Rocky!

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[quote][b]“We are using every tool against this gang,â€

Originally Posted by jamesw62

as if a lawsuit is going to stop them.
GO IN WITH RIOT GEAR and arrest all those losers. and if they shoot first,
well, defend yourself..

oh wait, the former gang member, 4 time bar exam flunky mayor of LA will just side with the gang members, just like he did in the melee at mac arthur park in 07

Actually the reason they are using "lawsuits" is because they are effective. These lawsuits are injunctions which prevent or order gang members to do or not do a certain thing. For example, in my county the most notorious games have been more quiet because they are not aloud to be with a certain distance of one another, loiter, or be out past a certain time. It makes the gang activities become individual activities and crime occurs less. It has been very successful in certain neighborhoods;however it is not easy to get a judge to order injunctions as they greatly limit constitutional rights.

Originally Posted by attorneyatlaw

Originally Posted by jamesw62

as if a lawsuit is going to stop them.
GO IN WITH RIOT GEAR and arrest all those losers. and if they shoot first,
well, defend yourself..

oh wait, the former gang member, 4 time bar exam flunky mayor of LA will just side with the gang members, just like he did in the melee at mac arthur park in 07

Actually the reason they are using "lawsuits" is because they are effective. These lawsuits are injunctions which prevent or order gang members to do or not do a certain thing. For example, in my county the most notorious games have been more quiet because they are not aloud to be with a certain distance of one another, loiter, or be out past a certain time. It makes the gang activities become individual activities and crime occurs less. It has been very successful in certain neighborhoods;however it is not easy to get a judge to order injunctions as they greatly limit constitutional rights.

What's your definition of 'effective" counselor? Furthermore, gangbangers have this unique propensity for ignoring most of laws which are set forth by society, either as "individuals" or as members of their respective gangs.

If there has been a period of time whereby these gangs have been "more quiet" within the city of LA ( which can be attributed directly to these Civil actions), it has gone undetected by most.

Many believe that if LA were truly serious about eradicating gang violence, they would implement the 278(g) program as well as repeal Special order 40, in addition to any injunctions sought.

Originally Posted by NoBueno

Originally Posted by attorneyatlaw

Originally Posted by jamesw62

as if a lawsuit is going to stop them.
GO IN WITH RIOT GEAR and arrest all those losers. and if they shoot first,
well, defend yourself..

oh wait, the former gang member, 4 time bar exam flunky mayor of LA will just side with the gang members, just like he did in the melee at mac arthur park in 07

Actually the reason they are using "lawsuits" is because they are effective. These lawsuits are injunctions which prevent or order gang members to do or not do a certain thing. For example, in my county the most notorious games have been more quiet because they are not aloud to be with a certain distance of one another, loiter, or be out past a certain time. It makes the gang activities become individual activities and crime occurs less. It has been very successful in certain neighborhoods;however it is not easy to get a judge to order injunctions as they greatly limit constitutional rights.

What's your definition of 'effective" counselor? Furthermore, gangbangers have this unique propensity for ignoring most of laws which are set forth by society, either as "individuals" or as members of their respective gangs.

If there has been a period of time whereby these gangs have been "more quiet" within the city of LA ( which can be attributed directly to these Civil actions), it has gone undetected by most.

Many believe that if LA were truly serious about eradicating gang violence, they would implement the 278(g) program as well as repeal Special order 40, in addition to any injunctions sought.

Effective means less gang activity thus less arrests. Most don't want to go to jail and since they are on parole/probation or have prior convictions they are more likely to be given an enhanced sentence, so they will curtail their activities with other gang members. I know they don't follow the law but they are less dangerous by themselves.
287g would be wonderful, but would not eradicate gangs. Most gangsters are not illegal, but there are very notorious bangers whose deportation/execution would benefit society.

Somebody sounds like a law school student.

Originally Posted by attorneyatlaw

Originally Posted by NoBueno

Originally Posted by attorneyatlaw

Originally Posted by jamesw62

as if a lawsuit is going to stop them.
GO IN WITH RIOT GEAR and arrest all those losers. and if they shoot first,
well, defend yourself..

oh wait, the former gang member, 4 time bar exam flunky mayor of LA will just side with the gang members, just like he did in the melee at mac arthur park in 07

Actually the reason they are using "lawsuits" is because they are effective. These lawsuits are injunctions which prevent or order gang members to do or not do a certain thing. For example, in my county the most notorious games have been more quiet because they are not aloud to be with a certain distance of one another, loiter, or be out past a certain time. It makes the gang activities become individual activities and crime occurs less. It has been very successful in certain neighborhoods;however it is not easy to get a judge to order injunctions as they greatly limit constitutional rights.

What's your definition of 'effective" counselor? Furthermore, gangbangers have this unique propensity for ignoring most of laws which are set forth by society, either as "individuals" or as members of their respective gangs.

If there has been a period of time whereby these gangs have been "more quiet" within the city of LA ( which can be attributed directly to these Civil actions), it has gone undetected by most.

Many believe that if LA were truly serious about eradicating gang violence, they would implement the 278(g) program as well as repeal Special order 40, in addition to any injunctions sought.

Effective means less gang activity thus less arrests. Most don't want to go to jail and since they are on parole/probation or have prior convictions they are more likely to be given an enhanced sentence, so they will curtail their activities with other gang members. I know they don't follow the law but they are less dangerous by themselves.
287g would be wonderful, but would not eradicate gangs. Most gangsters are not illegal, but there are very notorious bangers whose deportation/execution would benefit society.

You assume because there are less arrests being made (not sure where you get your figures) that means less gang activity is occuring? You do understand we are talking about Los Angeles whereby gang violence occurs on a daily basis.

Most people understand that injuctions alone are not going to reduce gangs, or their criminal enterprise-atleast not for any substantial length of time. Any reduction in criminal activity due to these injuctions will likely be temporary.

It seems as if we have a difference of opinion I suppose. While 287(g) might not "eradicate" gangs entirely ( nobody claimed it would), it would most certainly remove those dangerous gangbangers from this country who are here illegally and continue to use our judical system as a revolving door.

Not to mention that 287(g) would remove other illegal invaders who while not involved in gang activity per se, are committing crimes in addition to being here illegally. Removing those people would also potentially reduce crime. Right counselor?

The evidence is overwhelming regarding the connection between illegal immigration and gang violence. A significant number of gangbangers are either illegal themselves, or the by-product of illegal immigration. That cannot be ignored if one is serious in reducing gang violence!

I do agree with you regarding the execution of gangbangers and the benefit that would have on society!