Thread: LaRaza speaks out against African immigration

Originally Posted by Rockfish

Rockfish, maybe you should send this to a few Senators, with a note about the 10 million dallors of our money they want to give them, make it Demacrates they are more nieve than the Republicans, OH how about numb brain Graham and Specter


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I called up the Mexican American Political Association once, and they flat our told me "This Continent is for Latinos only, Asians should stay in Asia, Africans should stay in their Hemisphere." They also said "Only Latinos have brown skin"!! Talk about the Tan Klan, these people are it!!

This is not shocking at all for me. I knew there was always racism against black and jews. Many Hispanic organizations are strong supporters of Palenstians and are against Isreal. Regarding racism against Blacks, that too is a no shocker. I remember channel surfing late at night and I stopped at a Mexican channel and was surpised and embarassed to see a mexican having his face painted as a black. So folks, there you have it. They have the audacity to call "gringos" racist, but I guess they haven't had time to look in the mirror. Also if any of you recall California Lt. Governor Cruz Bustamante or whatever his name using the "N" word not just once, but 3 times, and got a way with it.

No doubt, I believe a future civil war is brewing with these racist organizations who happen to be getting taxpayer funding. This has got to STOP!


I pray that all my fellow Americans rise up and defend our precious country. Those Americans of all nationalities ancestry, who make up this great CASSAROLE DISH :P It is time we take our country back to the way our Political Founding Fathers have founded.


Ok thanks for the rant...gotta go check on my Mexican Soup :P . I think I over cook the meat now. O yeah, I am of Mexican ancestry.

Originally Posted by Bowman

I called up the Mexican American Political Association once, and they flat our told me "This Continent is for Latinos only, Asians should stay in Asia, Africans should stay in their Hemisphere." They also said "Only Latinos have brown skin"!! Talk about the Tan Klan, these people are it!!

Kind of funny that they would call them selfs Latinos! Latinos is a term with Latin in it!!! And Latin is for Latin-European! A Latino is a person that can have Amerindian,White, Black, Asian or Mixed, such as Mestizo, Mulatto or Zambo blood or of any race on the planet! So if they were truly natives to Mexico the should call them selfs by there native civilization and not Latino or Hispanic! Hispanic is a descent to Spain, another European country! So they need to learn about there Continents alittle better!

Here's what I found from the San Fran Chronicle dated MAY 15, 2007, not June 11, 2007 as the blog writer said. And, at least in this article, Munoz did not (at least directly) mention anything about African immigration --although the reporter used a hypothetical example of an English-speaking Ghanaian physician having an advantage over a "Spanish-speaking hotel maid from Guatemala whose brother is a U.S. citizen" in the prior plan that was defeated. But I think we can reasonably infer Munoz's biases here. If anyone finds anything different, please post.

Article:

San Francisco Chronicle (CA)
Point system is key to immigration overhaul
Debate centers on how much weight should be allocated to family ties, skills, languages
May 15, 2007

A Canadian-style point system at the center of a controversial new immigration overhaul could transform the ethnic and social composition of the United States in decades to come, but such a change hinges on the details expected to emerge this week from intense closed-door negotiations between the White House and key senators in both parties.

In concept, a point system that awards visas on the basis of such factors as education, age, job skills and English proficiency could mark a radical change from the current system that awards the vast majority of the 1 million legal permanent residence visas, or green cards, on the basis of a foreigner's family ties to relatives already in the United States.

Depending on how a point system is constructed, a Ghanaian physician fluent in English could get priority to enter the country, for example, over a Spanish-speaking hotel maid from Guatemala whose brother is a U.S. citizen.

That kinship-based system, in place since 1965, has encouraged large immigrant flows from Latin America and Asia, although that was not the original intention. Such "chain migration" has become a potent conservative criticism of U.S. immigration policy and poses a major stumbling block to efforts to legalize the estimated 12 million people now in the country illegally. Critics say such legalization efforts would encourage these new residents to bring their relatives, leading to millions more immigrants based not on skills but on family ties.

Immigrant rights groups, which are often organized on ethnic lines, are adamant that some form of family ties remain central to U.S. immigration policy. Cecilia Munoz, vice president at the National Council of La Raza, a Latino immigrant lobbying group, called the point system a radical experiment.

Munoz said a point system that "would be open to anyone in world, create a potentially huge demand and is very much skewed toward highly educated, English-speaking people, has implications not only for the immigration system, but I think broader implications for class and arguably race."

Frank Sharry, executive director of the National Immigration Forum, an immigrant lobby, said he is open to a point system depending on how it is structured.

"This point system is very critical," Sharry said. "Who will benefit, how the points will be apportioned, whether there's equity between high and low skill, whether it favors people here, or unknown, disconnected folks from around the world, and whether family is going to count enough are just some of the issues that are really going to be make or break for us when we finally see what's on the table."

As controversial as such an overhaul might be, political pressure on all sides has intensified to fix what everyone calls a broken immigration system. Last year's immigration bill met a dead end and seemed set to do so again this year without concessions on family migration.

The big trade-off for immigrants here now could be legalization of the estimated 12 million current illegal residents, in return for changing the future legal immigration system to attract more highly skilled and educated people.

The Senate is scheduled to start debate Wednesday on an immigration overhaul. Sources close to the talks said that while they may yet collapse, negotiators are nearing a deal on a hybrid of the family and skills-based system that would award points for skills, age, education and family ties.

The effect such a system would have on who gets one of the world's most coveted prizes -- a U.S. green card -- depends on the weight given to each category.

Point systems were first devised in Canada in the 1980s and copied by Australia, New Zealand and in 2003 by the United Kingdom -- an often-overlooked innovation by Prime Minister Tony Blair. They are geared to attracting people who have attributes valued by the receiving nation, and that are judged to make the immigrant more likely to succeed economically. These include education, occupation, work experience, language and age.

Point systems can also award credits for any number of other attributes: job offers, earnings levels, previous work experience in the destination country, preferred occupations, promised investment and family relations.

If in a system of 100 maximum points, 70 points are awarded on the basis of family, there would be little change from the current system. If 70 points were awarded on the basis of having a doctorate in mathematics from a U.S. university, those ratios would shift accordingly.

Canada awards just 10 points out of a possible 100 for relatives outside of a sponsor's immediate family, according to a report from the Law Library of Congress by Stephen Clarke, a Canadian legal specialist. Family relations are considered under "adaptability" criterion, which presumes that having relatives in Canada would help an immigrant adjust.

But other factors can serve as proxies for family relations that could maintain immigration flows from Asia and Latin America, said Demetrios Papademetriou, president of the Migration Policy Institute think tank and a leading expert on point systems.

"I can design a point system in the next half hour and give zero points to family and still advantage family over any other group," Papademetriou said. One way would to give a large proportion of points for a job offer, usually are made through existing informal migration networks. "Who controls the networks?" he said. "Families."

Preferred occupations, U.S. work experience or other categories could do the same thing.

"At the end of the day, you can cut and slice this in all sorts of different ways," Papademetriou said. "That's why I suspect these negotiations have taken as long as they are taking. Because none of these people are stupid, nor are they staffed by stupid people. They realize there are indirect ways of losing in one category, but recovering their losses by giving higher value to another category."

Papademetriou said the key to a successful point system is adaptability and flexibility, so that points can be constantly adjusted.

Experts testifying at a House hearing earlier this month said problems with point systems include fraudulent manufacture of diplomas and job histories. Canada has had problems with highly trained immigrants who cannot find jobs because their foreign certifications are not accepted by Canadian provinces. Some experts were also leery of allowing Congress to make adjustments.

Point systems are extolled by economists, but the low-wage service industries such as restaurants and nursing homes want a temporary worker program that would admit much larger numbers of low-wage workers, while technology companies and others looking for higher-skilled workers want to expand the current employment-based visa system, which accounts for about 15 percent of green card slots.

Hi Save Our Country,

Originally Posted by saveourcountry

"LaRaza speaks out against African immigration"

The National Communist La Raza spokesman, Jose Carranza, "spoke" out in Newark, NJ


Here's another NCLR supporter: