Thread: Lofgren: "More have died in the desert than in Iraq

The following took place in Moterrey, Mexico, at the 47 Interparlamentary U.S./Mexico Reunion

TRANSLATED FROM:
http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2008/06/08/i ... e=004n1pol

In apparent self-criticism, the president of the Senate, Christopher Dodd, undertook it against the decision of the legislature that he heads: "I am terribly disappointed that the Senate could not arrive at a conclusion a year ago to have an immigration law. The realities are associated with millions of undocumented people that live in the United States. That they live in the shadows, I would add.

"To be clear, the workers that have violated our laws have to face our sanctions. But we cannot deport 12 million people. We should not do that. I support a new road of citizenship that supports the dignity of these families."

Zoe Lofgren, representative from California, referred to the urgency to take care of family unity and immigrant rights, because nobody stops to recognize that due to immigration politics and walls, Mexicans have been seeking ways to enter at the most isolated areas. Therefore more Mexicans have died at the border that Americans have died in the war in Iraq.

Brian Bilbray, Republican from California –of Australian ancestry–, maintained that the Legislature of their country has the right to defend legality: anyone that hires illegals is illegal, he who comes without proper documents to the United States is illegal and, therefore, the Congress is going to enact legal migration and against those who hire illegals.

Christopher Dodd
Another politician saying to heck with the laws of this country. Just give all the illegals a path to citizenship.

If more people seeking to be Illegal immigrants in the US have died in the desert than in Iraq....it is by their choice and not the fault of the United States. It also is not a reason to change our immigration laws to allow more and more people from third world countries to come here.
Are we not having enough economic problems in the US without adding millions of others that the tax payers will be forced to support????

We need to get knowledge of groups like NumbersUSA out in front of the American citizens.

Zoe Lofgren, representative from California, referred to the urgency to take care of family unity and immigrant rights, because nobody stops to recognize that due to immigration politics and walls, Mexicans have been seeking ways to enter at the most isolated areas. Therefore more Mexicans have died in the border that Americans have died in the war in Iraq.

How many years is Zoe Lofgren counting? Since the 1990's?

Number 1. They have NO right to enter our country illegally!
Number 2. Many are abandoned and left to die by their own group when they can no longer keep up.
Number 3. Some die in vehicle crashes. Vehicles are over-packed, no seatbelts and/or the driver is evading the border patrol.

So how are these actions the fault of the U.S. government?

Reports I find list less than 300 people dying annually while crossing into the U.S. illegally. These are preventable by NOT crossing the border. Meanwhile, on average, 25 American citizens die daily at the hands of illegal aliens. These deaths would have been prevented if the illegal aliens were not allowed in this country. Who is paying a harsher, more deadly price?

How many illegal aliens entering Mexico die or lose limbs hopping the Mexican train to get to the north?

Marc Cooper
The Huffington Post
Border Crossing Deaths: A New Record
October 11, 2007 06:38 PM


Over the past fiscal year ending October 1, at least 237 people died trying to cross into Arizona. While most were from Mexico and Central America, almost 40% of the victims remain unidentified.

This year's toll is up from the 205 statewide fatalities registered during the previous 12 month period. The data was released by the Tucson-based Coalicion de Derechos Humanos and is based on the death counts compiled by coroners in the counties bordering Mexico.

The majority of this year's deaths, 206, were recorded in Pima County -- directly south of Tucson in the south-central part of the state. The Bush administration, in escalating its border clamp down, has claimed that overall deaths along the border have dipped.

But the figures released today suggest that the human traffic across the southern border has not been stemmed so much as it has been re-directed and re-channeled through some of the more perilous and uninhabited stretches of the Sonoran desert. This year's death toll for Pima County is the highest on record.

"It has been estimated that the lives of more than 5,000 men, women and children have been lost on the U.S.- Mexico border since the mid-1990s," says a statement released today by the Coalicion which keeps a running count of the fatalities. The recovered body count for Arizona has surpassed 200 since the fiscal year 2002-2003, yet the loss of life has been shockingly described by Border Patrol officials as 'collateral damage,'" said the statement.

It was the Clinton administration which began a concerted effort to shut down traditional crossing routes early in its tenure. In the mid 1990's approximately fifty people a year died along the entire U.S.-Mexican border, Over the last decade, that figure has climbed ten-fold. The 237 deaths this past year in Arizona represent about a half of the total number who have died along the entire California to Texas run of the border.

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Casualties in Iraq
The Human Cost of Occupation
Edited by Margaret Griffis :: Contact American Military Casualties in Iraq

Date Total In Combat

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4093 3334
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03) (the list) 3954 3226
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3632 3028
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3234 2701
Since Election (1/31/05): 2656 2438
American Wounded Official Estimated
Total Wounded: 30333 23000 - 100000
Latest Fatality June 7, 2008
Page last updated 06/8/08 12:23 pm EDT

http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

Mexicans have been seeking ways to enter at the most isolated areas. Therefore more Mexicans have died at the border that Americans have died in the war in Iraq.

Did anyone FORCE them to cross our border illegally? If they stop sneaking in, less will die. They undertake the risk and we are not responsible for them.

I KNOW that more Americans are killed by illegal aliens than have died in Iraq, so why in the world would welcome illegal aliens here?!?!

The Mexican government can be accountable for them. Maybe we should put up huge signs at the border that say: Warning: Attempting to snesak over the border can result in death, turn back! If they ignore the warning, so be it.

Zoe Lofgren, representative from California, referred to the urgency to take care of family unity and immigrant rights, because nobody stops to recognize that due to immigration politics and walls, Mexicans have been seeking ways to enter at the most isolated areas. Therefore more Mexicans have died at the border that Americans have died in the war in Iraq.

AND MORE AMERICANS HAVE BEEN KILLED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, MAINLY FROM MEXICO THAN IN THE WAR WITH IRAQ.

Americans have also been molested, raped, maimed and robbed by illegal aliens mainly from Mexico.

WE NEED TO ENFORCE THE LAWS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.

Originally Posted by butterbean

Zoe Lofgren, representative from California, referred to the urgency to take care of family unity and immigrant rights, because nobody stops to recognize that due to immigration politics and walls, Mexicans have been seeking ways to enter at the most isolated areas. Therefore more Mexicans have died at the border that Americans have died in the war in Iraq.

AND MORE AMERICANS HAVE BEEN KILLED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, MAINLY FROM MEXICO THAN IN THE WAR WITH IRAQ.

Americans have also been molested, raped, maimed and robbed by illegal aliens mainly from Mexico.

WE NEED TO ENFORCE THE LAWS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.

Well said.

Originally Posted by LawEnforcer

The following took place in Moterrey, Mexico, at the 47 Interparlamentary U.S./Mexico Reunion

TRANSLATED FROM:
http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2008/06/08/i ... e=004n1pol

In apparent self-criticism, the president of the Senate, Christopher Dodd, undertook it against the decision of the legislature that he heads: "I am terribly disappointed that the Senate could not arrive at a conclusion a year ago to have an immigration law. The realities are associated with millions of undocumented people that live in the United States. That they live in the shadows, I would add.

"To be clear, the workers that have violated our laws have to face our sanctions. But we cannot deport 12 million people. We should not do that. I support a new road of citizenship that supports the dignity of these families."

Zoe Lofgren, representative from California, referred to the urgency to take care of family unity and immigrant rights, because nobody stops to recognize that due to immigration politics and walls, Mexicans have been seeking ways to enter at the most isolated areas. Therefore more Mexicans have died at the border that Americans have died in the war in Iraq.

Brian Bilbray, Republican from California –of Australian ancestry–, maintained that the Legislature of their country has the right to defend legality: anyone that hires illegals is illegal, he who comes without proper documents to the United States is illegal and, therefore, the Congress is going to enact legal migration and against those who hire illegals.

The only reason Zoe Lofgren is "concerned" about ILLEGALS who have died is the fact that IMMIGRATION LAWYERS could lose money because of "less" ILLEGALS!

Lofgren serves the San Jose and Silicon Valley
first elected to the house in 1994

http://lofgren.house.gov/emailform.shtml

District Office Telephone (40 271-8700
Washington, D.C. Office Telephone (202) 225-3072

AND CHRISTOPHER DODD

http://dodd.senate.gov/

Senator Chris Dodd
Tel: (202) 224-2823

Hartford, CT 0ffice
Tel: (860) 258-6940/(800) 334-5341 —CT only

She's my sorry rep. She has stopped writing back to me, I've complained so much.