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    Mexico Promises to Block Border Wall Plan

    Mexico Promises to Block Border Wall Plan
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    By MARK STEVENSON
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    Dec 20 7:02 PM US/Eastern

    MEXICO CITY - The Mexican government, angered by a U.S. proposal to extend a wall along the border to keep out migrants, pledged Tuesday to block the plan and organize an international campaign against it. Facing a growing tide of anti-immigrant sentiment north of the border, the Mexican government has taken out ads urging Mexican workers to denounce rights violations in the United States. It also is hiring an American public relations firm to improve its image and counter growing U.S. concerns about immigration.

    Mexican President Vicente Fox denounced the U.S. measures, passed by the House of Representatives on Friday, as "shameful" and his foreign secretary, Luis Ernesto Derbez, echoed his complaints on Tuesday.
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    "Mexico is not going to bear, it is not going to permit, and it will not allow a stupid thing like this wall," Derbez said. "What has to be done is to raise a storm of criticism, as is already happening, against this," he said, promising to turn the international community against the plan.

    Some stretches of the U.S.-Mexico border are already marked by fences, but in some heavily-trafficked sections walls have already been erected by the United States, often using 10-foot-high sections of military surplus steel. Those sections, which typically run several miles, can be found in southern Arizona and California.

    It's hard to underestimate the ill-feeling the proposal has generated in Mexico, where editorial pages are dominated by cartoons of Uncle Sam putting up walls bearing anti-Mexican messages.

    Many Mexicans, especially those who have spent time working in the U.S., feel the proposal is a slap in the face to those who work hard and contribute to the U.S. economy.

    Fernando Robledo, 42, of the western state of Zacatecas, says the proposals could stem migration and disrupt families by breaking cross- border ties.

    "When people heard this, it worried everybody, because this will affect everybody in some way, and their families," Robledo said. "They were incredulous. How could they do this, propose something like this?"

    Robledo, whose son and mother are U.S. citizens, predicted the measure "would unleash conflict within the United States" as small businesses fail for lack of workers.

    He said many Mexicans felt betrayed by the anti-immigrant sentiment.

    "We learned to believe in the United States. We have a binational life," he said of Zacatecas, a state that has been sending migrants north for more than a century. "It isn't just a feeling of rejection. It's against what we see as part of our life, our culture, our territory."

    The government is scrambling to fight on two fronts. On Monday, it announced it had hired Allyn & Company, a Dallas-based public relations company to help improve Mexico's image and stem the immigration backlash.

    "If people in the U.S. and Canada had an accurate view of the success of democracy, political stability and economic prosperity in Mexico, it would improve their views on specific bilateral issues like immigration and border security," Rob Allyn, president of the PR firm, told The Associated Press Tuesday.

    Jose Luis Soberanes, head of the government's National Human Rights Commission, suggested Mexico go further.

    "I would expect more energetic reactions from our authorities," Soberanes told local media. "It's preferable to have a more demanding government, more confrontation with the United States."

    Mexico has also said it is recruiting U.S. church, community and business groups to oppose the proposal.
    And the government has stepped up its defense of migrants, airing a series of radio spots here aimed at migrants returning home for the holidays.

    "Had a labor accident in the United States? You have rights ... Call," reads the ad, sponsored by Mexico's Foreign Relations Department, which has helped migrants bring compensation suits in the United States.

    The sense of dread connected with the measures is hardly restricted to Mexico. Immigrant advocacy and aid groups in the United States are worried about provisions of the House bill that upgrade unlawful presence in the United States from a civil offense to a felony.

    "It would have a horrific impact on immigrants right organizing and immigrant communities" in the United States, said Jennifer Allen of the Tucson, Ariz.-based Red de Accion Fronteriza.

    The mistaken belief that the proposals are a done deal _ they must still be submitted to the Senate _ have caused "just complete fear and shock" among some activists and immigrants, Allen said.

    The House bill, passed on a 239-182 vote, includes a proposal to build 700 miles of additional fence through parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. It would also enlist military and local law enforcement to help stop illegal entrants and require employers to verify the legal status of their workers.

    Mexicans are outraged by the proposed measures, especially the extension of the border wall, which many liken to the Berlin Wall. Some are urging their government to fight it fiercely.


    "Our president should oppose that wall and make them stop it, at all costs," said Martin Vazquez, 26, at the Mexico City airport as he returned from his job as a hotel worker in Las Vegas. "More than just insulting, it's terrible."

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    Scuba, did you have to post this ?

    Okay, what else is new ? So Mexico is now so bold as to dictate to the American people how things will be.

    And our president says nothing. Does nothing. Yet we're suppose to trust him with this Iraq War. I don't get it, Scuba.

    All I know is that something is so wrong.
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    What are they going to block it with? Another wall?

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    I guess Mexico thinks they have already taken over the U.S., the nerve of these people! This makes me want to fight for this wall all that much more. Bring it on, Fox!!!! We are ready for ya!
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    What are they going to fight with I wonder?

    Their "race card" is DEAD.

    Fox is a Flop having among other things exposed himself, ironically, as a racist with his comment "Mexicans will do the work that even Blacks won't do" and was humiliated world-wide when he was publicly annointed by Chavez as a Bush Puppy over different "views" of the FTAA during the summit in Argentina.

    Vegetables? Nope. We're ready to pay high prices for American Picked Tomatoes, Grapefruit and Celery Stalks.

    Heavy lifting? Nope. We're prepared to lift with forklifts.

    Press 1 for English? Nope. We're prepared to dispense with that on the earliest possible date.

    Sympathy? Nope. That's old, it's tired, it's worn out...it's GONE.

    Public Relations Firm? Nope. No matter how good this firm is that Vicente hired, they still can't make Dog Food out of Chicken Shit...the Dogs Won't Eat It.

    United Nations Intervention? Nope. We'll hold back payments to the UN.

    World Trade Organization Tribunal Intervention? Nope. We want to withdraw from the WTO anyhow.

    Free Trade Agreement provisions? Nope. We want to cancel NAFTA anyhow.

    Fox, the bottom line is this. Your problems are your own to cure. You're a Harvard Grad, figure it out. But your economic solution is not turning the United States into a Dung Pile by sending more people up here than we can absorb or sustain successfully.

    We know now that neither you nor your people have any concern, regard, or respect for the American People or our laws.

    You have disrespected US, you have harmed US, you have robbed, raped and murdered US; you have dishonored US, and you have now PISSED US OFF.

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    I am very thankful that this was posted, as its content is the absolute worst I have ever seen on the issue.

    It was the talk of radio there in Los Angeles tonight. Just amazing..."our territory" he says !!!

    No wonder Derbez is saying that they will not "permit" it !!!

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    Funny how they say they will rally an international community against this wall. They have no clout in the international community. Besides that we are on council and will veto anything as it relates to such things. The world take a better half of a decade to make a ruling on anything and they touch anything like this, so that is dead.

    If anything we should got after Mexico on thier continue human rights violation is forcing thier people leave thier country.

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    Mexico is backward in their thinking.

    They don't understand that EVERY DEVELOPED COUNTRY in the world suffering the infestation of illegal and excess immigration is hard at work tryin' to figure out how to BUILD THEIR WALLS to keep the likes of Vicente at bay and away!

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    "We learned to believe in the United States. We have a binational life," he said of Zacatecas, a state that has been sending migrants north for more than a century. "It isn't just a feeling of rejection. It's against what we see as part of our life, our culture, our territory."
    Hello jacka$$, you lost that territory like 150 years ago. Where have you been? Your feeling rejected? Good. It's only because hint, hint we don't want you here. We never wanted you here in the first place and we never invited you here. Take your free loading failure of a culture back to that cesspool south of the border where it belongs. We don't want or need your crime, your poverty, your diseases and most of all we don't want or need your uneducated, unskilled labor in our country stealing our jobs and stealing our tax dollars. Go back to Mexihole and continue the failure you call a life, a culture and it will actually be in your own territory. You want our territory to be called your own, you can do it over our dead bodies and you better pack alot of lunches if you get my drift.

    Facing a growing tide of anti-immigrant sentiment north of the border, the Mexican government has taken out ads urging Mexican workers to denounce rights violations in the United States. It also is hiring an American public relations firm to improve its image and counter growing U.S. concerns about immigration.
    BFD. It's not like we haven't heard the big lie before. Nobody in America is buying this tired old act. All I have to say is keep talking. The more these idiots continue to toss a tantrum over this, the worse they look.

    "Mexico is not going to bear, it is not going to permit, and it will not allow a stupid thing like this wall," Derbez said. "What has to be done is to raise a storm of criticism, as is already happening, against this," he said, promising to turn the international community against the plan.
    Oh we are so scared. What are you all going to do, send out the big bad Mexihole army against us? Oh no please don't do that, anything, but that. LOL!

    Who cares about the toothless international community? What the same community that comes crying to us to take care of the messes they always create in their own back yards 100 percent of the time? The same community who's military force is 98 percent American? The same community who receives the majority of their funds thru us? What the hell ever. Get bent Derbez. There is a reason why we are the only superpower and Mexihole is a crappy turd world nation and the sooner your kind can grasp that concept the better you'll be. We can wipe out Mexihole in like 5 hrs if we really wanted to without even breaking a sweat.

    It's hard to underestimate the ill-feeling the proposal has generated in Mexico, where editorial pages are dominated by cartoons of Uncle Sam putting up walls bearing anti-Mexican messages.

    Many Mexicans, especially those who have spent time working in the U.S., feel the proposal is a slap in the face to those who work hard and contribute to the U.S. economy.
    So what? Who cares what they think? I keep hearing about the many so called contributions these people make to our economy, well if that's the case then why don't you tell me exactly what those contributions are. Seriously can somebody give a list of these so called contributions? I have a list. Here's a list of all the contributions I've seen:

    Poverty
    Crime
    Illiteracy
    Failure
    Disease
    Welfare
    Debt
    Hospitals being shut down
    Neighborhoods becoming slums
    Drugs
    Gangs

    Need I go on? As far as I'm concerned America can do without your contributions. Because anything positive you do is far outweighed by your negatives. Like I said the Free Ride is over NOW and FOREVER and no amount of whining and crying to whoever will listen is going to stop that.

    "When people heard this, it worried everybody, because this will affect everybody in some way, and their families," Robledo said. "They were incredulous. How could they do this, propose something like this?"
    STFU. Better yet why don't you go ask Vicente how he guards his southern border. The hypocracy and arrogance of these people just astounds me. So it's ok for other nations to protect their borders, but we can't? Earth to idiot/moron. We are a sovereign nation and we have every right to protect our nation thru any means necessary and we have every right to dictate who we want and don't want coming into our country and if we don't want Mexican criminals in our country then so be it.

    Go cry me a river. When Israel built their wall we heard all the whaling and gnashing of the teeth by all of the terror maggots, globalist whiners and their supporters about how the wall won't work and it won't protect Israel from terror. Well since then they haven't had any attacks on their soil, at least not that I can remember.

    To all you idiot sheep that claim that building a wall won't work in the US, well why don't we just try it out ok, because we have been trying your method for decades now and guess what, YOUR STUPID METHOD DOESN'T WORK EITHER. Oh and 90 percent of America thinks it's a great idea so why don't you sheep put a sock in it.

    Robledo, whose son and mother are U.S. citizens, predicted the measure "would unleash conflict within the United States" as small businesses fail for lack of workers.
    So what? You know what I really don't care. If a few businesses end up going under because they lose all of their cheap labor and they are too damn stupid to pay a prevailing wage then they deserve to go under anyway. As far as I'm concerned we have enough McDonald's in our country anyway and I don't eat fast food that much so I can live without it and I can do my own laundry, clean my own house, and do my own landscaping anyway so who cares? I'm more than ready to pay a nickel or a dime more for a head of lettuce and some tomatoes and at least I know they will be picked by Americans and those same crops won't have been laced with fecal matter at some point in time. So if a few businesses fail, so what? More businesses will rise up and take their spot anyway. That's how capitalism works. So some corrupt CEO's won't be making another 5 million. Who cares?

    He said many Mexicans felt betrayed by the anti-immigrant sentiment.
    So what? Again I don't care. You Mexicans should feel more betrayed by your crappy government who doesn't even want you in your own country and encourages you to leave rather than take care of you.

    "If people in the U.S. and Canada had an accurate view of the success of democracy, political stability and economic prosperity in Mexico, it would improve their views on specific bilateral issues like immigration and border security," Rob Allyn, president of the PR firm, told The Associated Press Tuesday.
    BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO Dude put down the bong and slowly back away. Your talking about Mexico right? As soon as I read this I had to clean off my monitor and keyboard from all of the soda I just spit all over the place. We are talking about the same craphole that has an unemployment rate of like 70 percent? Are we talking about the same country that's being run by a mob of gangsters and drug lords? Are we talking about the same country that 70 percent of the population is dieing to leave? If Mexihole was so great then why do so many people want to leave it? HHHMMMMM!!!! We wonder why we need to build a damn wall. Economic prosperity? LMAO, if they had any then their own people wouldn't be coming here in droves. When will the be lie ever end? Maybe the reason why we want a damn wall is because maybe just maybe we don't want our country to turn into the same sh!th@le the Mexicans are fleeing from in droves.

    Jose Luis Soberanes, head of the government's National Human Rights Commission, suggested Mexico go further.

    "I would expect more energetic reactions from our authorities," Soberanes told local media. "It's preferable to have a more demanding government, more confrontation with the United States."
    Bring it on biznitch. We're ready for your futile attempt to confront us. Oh and your the head of the National Human Rights Commission? Why don't you start with the human rights abusing perpetrated by your own government?

    "It would have a horrific impact on immigrants right organizing and immigrant communities" in the United States, said Jennifer Allen of the Tucson, Ariz.-based Red de Accion Fronteriza.
    Jennifer, illegal alien invaders have no rights. When they crossed this border illegally they forfeited their rights. The only right they have is to be sent back home.

    Mexicans are outraged by the proposed measures, especially the extension of the border wall, which many liken to the Berlin Wall. Some are urging their government to fight it fiercely.
    Go read a history book please. The Berlin wall was meant to divide the nation of Germany and to keep people inside the country. We need a wall to keep Mexican invaders out of our country. Big difference.

    Our president should oppose that wall and make them stop it, at all costs," said Martin Vazquez, 26, at the Mexico City airport as he returned from his job as a hotel worker in Las Vegas. "More than just insulting, it's terrible.
    Your obnoxious, loud mouthed, failure of a presidunce should be more concerned about fixing that cesspool you call a country and not concern himself with business that has nothing to do with his country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dman1200

    I'm more than ready to pay a nickel or a dime more for a head of lettuce and some tomatoes and at least I know they will be picked by Americans and those same crops won't have been laced with fecal matter at some point in time.
    Or spit.

    [quote:1itogix0]So if a few businesses fail, so what? More businesses will rise up and take their spot anyway. That's how capitalism works. So some corrupt CEO's won't be making another 5 million. Who cares?
    Absolutely. Shut these llegal corrupt anti-American Shit-Corps DOWN! Then we'll buy them for 15 cents on the dolla and run them ourselves! Don't cry you once over paid execs, now picking lettuce for us, this is just FREE MARKET....where anything can happen!! You win some, you lose some...you lost this one TRAITORS now shut up and get to pickin', you've got a QUOTA TO MEET!!



    [quote:1itogix0]"If people in the U.S. and Canada had an accurate view of the success of democracy, political stability and economic prosperity in Mexico, it would improve their views on specific bilateral issues like immigration and border security," Rob Allyn, president of the PR firm, told The Associated Press Tuesday.
    [/quote:1itogix0]

    Oh my my....their PR firm is already at work. Hmmm....We've already won. These people are more examples of the over-paid clueless. Mexico...although I'm really mad at you right now....I don't like to see even opponents gettin' RIPPED OFF. Fire the Firm. Demand your money back and use it to build some schools and feed your people.

    BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO Dude put down the bong and slowly back away. Your talking about Mexico right? As soon as I read this I had to clean off my monitor and keyboard from all of the soda I just spit all over the place. We are talking about the same craphole that has an unemployment rate of like 70 percent? Are we talking about the same country that's being run by a mob of gangsters and drug lords? Are we talking about the same country that 70 percent of the population is dieing to leave? If Mexihole was so great then why do so many people want to leave it? HHHMMMMM!!!! We wonder why we need to build a damn wall. Economic prosperity? LMAO, if they had any then their own people wouldn't be coming here in droves. When will the be lie ever end? Maybe the reason why we want a damn wall is because maybe just maybe we don't want our country to turn into the same sh!th@le the Mexicans are fleeing from in droves.
    Mexico is a sh!th@le because of the way their people live and think. They don't think right. They think droppin a bun in the desert is cool. Poor Border Patrol....the whole concept nauseates me...but the Mexicans think this is valor. Mothers borrow $300 to send their young sons off on a death walk to the United States to fix a tin roof that would cost $20 bucks in Mexico!! They don't think right and that is their problem. Maybe it's the water. They say never to drink it. It's made them all stupid or insane, take your pick.

    Jose Luis Soberanes, head of the government's National Human Rights Commission, suggested Mexico go further.

    [quote:1itogix0]"I would expect more energetic reactions from our authorities," Soberanes told local media. "It's preferable to have a more demanding government, more confrontation with the United States."
    [/quote:1itogix0]

    Sobranes, you ignorant ass-hole....the LAST THING "preferable" for Mexico is "more confrontation with the United States". This time boys, you've dared the American People which will prove itself a grave error on your part. We've been wantin' to kick your illegal asses out of here for long long time so bring it on.

    [quote:1itogix0]"It would have a horrific impact on immigrants right organizing and immigrant communities" in the United States, said Jennifer Allen of the Tucson, Ariz.-based Red de Accion Fronteriza.
    [/quote:1itogix0][/quote:1itogix0]

    Hey, Traitor Girl.....it's going to have an "horrific impact on you" because we're going to shut down Red de Accion Fronteriza....if you're operating on 501 C 3 tax contributions....but we'll save a spot in the American Lettuce Patch for ya where you can work with Real Americans and Learn Our Ways.

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