Thread: Minutemen Vigilantism Raises Civil War Fears

The writer should be censored and jailed for his hate speech too.

Just popping in and will give a more thorough read later.

Was shocked .. shouldn't be .. with his claim that Billy the Kid stole Arizona from Mexico.

These idiots still think it's their land!

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

These people are nuts and how dare they openly threaten the United States with a race war! The FBI and our Department of Homeland Security need to look in on these groups and their violent rhetoric immediately.The author claims to be in contact with and speak for armed gangs that are spread out across our nation. The author also threatens retaliation against white Americans in many cities.

William,

Here's the home page. Check it out. There's lots of hate speech articles there. Going so far as to label some of the MMP's "overfed" and "overweight" Americans.

Nothing but pure hate.

http://www.aztlan.net/index.html

Watchman:

They can hate us all they like, but they have crossed the legal line when they start threatening the United States or our citizens with violence and war. That is what Al Qaeda does.

Please notify your local FBI field office about this site on Monday and please tell them that the MMP is a law abiding legal protest by American citizens to your knowledge.

Let's see what DHS and the FBI does with this. I'll try to look through the Federal law codes later to find some info on this too.

W

Here is the info I copied from the WHOIS search I just did on Aztlan.net.

aztlan.net

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Aztlan Internet Services (28639876O)
P.O.Box 4282
Whittier, CA 90607
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Phone: 999 999 9999
Fax: 999 999 9999

Domain Name: AZTLAN.NET

Administrative Contact :
Carreon, Hector
(HC535)
Impacto@MAIL.SERVE.COM
PO BOX 4282
WHITTIER, CA 90607-4282
US
Phone: (562) 693-4545

Technical Contact :
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Phone: +370-2-715299
Fax: +370-2-732657

Record expires on 10-Jul-2006
Record created on 11-Jul-1997
Database last updated on 08-Jul-2004

Domain servers in listed order: Manage DNS

NS1.ABAC.COM 216.55.128.4
NS2.ABAC.COM 216.55.144.4

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Current Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
IP Address: 216.55.181.24 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location: US(UNITED STATES)
Record Type: Domain Name
Server Type: Apache 1
Lock Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Web Site Status: Active
DMOZ 6 listings
Y! Directory: see listings
Web Site Title: La Voz de Aztlan
Meta Description: The voice of Aztlan publishes news, commentaries, opinions, editorials, news research, news analyses and scholarly writings on La Raza or Mexicans or other Latinos.
Meta Keywords: Latino, Chicano, Hispanic, Mexican, La Raza news, Aztlan, Latino news analysis, Latino La Raza politics, latin culture, latino culture, los angeles, east los angeles, southern california, new party, liberation, self-determination, political freedom, free
Secure: No
E-commerce: No
Traffic Ranking: 1
Data as of: 26-May-2004

Thanks Redgirl1

Here is their Alexa info. Their 3 month traffic ranking info is suprisingly strong at 93k.

Check out the info on who visits them and who is linked in.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=www.aztlan.net

W

William and all,

Found this commentary on La Voz de Atzlan at:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelrep ... sp?aid=186

Ethnic Nationalism
Tiny Chicano group pushes racism and homophobia

"Our duty is to take back what is ours," reads the Internet page, "even if it means carrying out total genocide." Standard fare, perhaps, for your garden-variety white supremacist Web sites. But there's a twist.

The sentiment comes this time not from any neo-Nazi or Klan page, but from the message board of La Voz de Aztlan, the racist and anti-Semitic Web magazine of a tiny group of extremist Chicanos in Los Angeles.

"Aztlan" is the mythical Aztec homeland that supposedly existed in Mexico and the southwestern United States before the Spanish conquest of 1519. And though La Voz's members number at most a dozen, they hope to take the entire territory back.

Adopting pseudonyms like Tezcatlipoca and Quetzalcoatl, they have even established a "provisional government," apparently anticipating chaos after the coming revolution.

La Voz de Aztlan's articles go way, way past mainstream Latino concerns, railing against "Nazi" Jews, "demonic" lesbians and "the Jew/Gay Democratic Party." The site approvingly quotes ancient Aztec law, requiring disembowelment for homosexuals.

It blames Jews for political problems in Los Angeles and even provides the entire text of the infamous anti-Semitic forgery, Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Worse, though, are the message boards.

"Kill any Raza [Latina] woman," writes one participant, "who mixes her blood with either white trash or ... ****** scum."

When queried by the Intelligence Report, La Voz's editors denied any anti-Semitism, writing anonymously via E-mail that they were not endorsing the Protocols but offering them up for "analysis and discussion only."

Publishing the Protocols, they argued, "is not any different from the ploys that ... [TV trash-talk show host] Jerry Springer uses for his ratings."

Originally Posted by occutegirl

The US can not presently afford additional world enemies. The nation of Mexico presently provides a great "security buffer" for the USA southern flank. What would happen if the Minuteman vigilantes instigate the alienation of Mexico and the country allows the infiltration of the Mara Salvatruchas, Al-Queda and every South and Central American subversive group eager to attack the USA?

Got news for ya.. that "security buffer" is more like the greatest security LEAK we have. The MMP has stated it's goals to be mere observers who will call the Border Patrol upon sighting criminals. From what I can see from this article, it is Mexicans who are making the threats of physical violence, and doing so pretty blatantly.

Originally Posted by watchman

"Kill any Raza [Latina] woman," writes one participant, "who mixes her blood with either white trash or ... ****** scum."

And they have the nerve to call US racist

From another article on Aztlan website...

"The Mara Salvatruchas (MS-13) are a consequence of USA policies in Central America and are just another example of "the chickens coming home to roost". "

Sounds to me like these guys are fans of Ward Churchill.

I did an ARIN search on the IP address of the website (216.55.181.24)

OrgName: Abacus America Inc.
OrgID: ABAC
Address: 5276 Eastgate Mall
City: San Diego
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 92121
Country: US

NetRange: 216.55.128.0 - 216.55.191.255
CIDR: 216.55.128.0/18
NetName: ABAC1999A
NetHandle: NET-216-55-128-0-1
Parent: NET-216-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.ABAC.COM
NameServer: NS2.ABAC.COM
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 1999-05-28
Updated: 2000-11-02

TechHandle: AD384-ORG-ARIN
TechName: A Net DNS Administrator
TechPhone: +1-858-410-6900
TechEmail: dns@aplus.net

OrgTechHandle: ANETS-ARIN
OrgTechName: A Net Support
OrgTechPhone: +1-858-410-6900
OrgTechEmail: support@aplus.net

That IP is part of a class C block allocated to Abacus America Inc. They do web hosting through the aplus.net website. Interesting, aplus does not allow access to the Terms of Service and Acceptable Use documents unless you call them. I was going to read the ToS and AUP to see if the webpage was in violation. If it was we could request it be pulled down.

Hmmmm . . . aplus.net claims they have OC-3 connections to backbones from ATT, Level 3, Time Warner, MCI, XO Communications, SBC, Williams, and ICG. If the aztlan.net website violates the AUP or TOS of the backbone providors, those providors can and will pull the plug on all aplus sites unless aplus shuts down aztlan.

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