Thread: Most immigrants lived in California illegally, study says

Most immigrants lived in California illegally, study says
By Matt O'Brien
Contra Costa Times
Article Launched: 06/04/2008 09:22:00 PM PDT

More than half of new California immigrants who are permanent legal residents lived in the state illegally before getting green cards, according to an analysis released Wednesday by the Public Policy Institute of California.

The study suggests that the conventional notion of a legal immigrant as a brand-new arrival who has waited in a home country to get a green card is not the norm.

"The idea (is) you sit at home, you wait, you get the green card," said research fellow Laura Hill. "That's certainly an experience for immigrants, but it's not the most common."

Of green card holders living in California, only 33 percent are new to the United States, never having entered the country before becoming legal residents here, according to the study. Another 15 percent previously visited the country at least once without violating immigration rules.

But a majority — 52 percent — had past experience living in the country illegally, usually without the government knowing about it, Hill said.

The numbers were based on a survey of 8,000 people with green cards who shared detailed histories of their migration experiences with researchers as part of The New Immigrant Survey in 2003 and 2004.

Thirty-five percent of the California green card holders had come into the United States at least once before by illegally crossing the border, while 18 percent violated the terms of a legal visit by overstaying a tourist visa or working when they were not supposed to.

"It highlights how overly simplified our understanding of immigrants and immigration can be," said Hill, who said a stark distinction between "illegal" and "legal" immigrants does not acknowledge the frequent correlation between both categories. "We need to be a little more cognizant of the variety and breadth of experience."

Along with California, the study looked at the country as a whole. It found that a somewhat smaller percentage of green card holders — 42 percent — have previously lived in the country illegally. Of those, 20 percent had crossed the border illegally and 22 percent had violated their visa terms.

Those who overstayed their visa before obtaining legal residency were most commonly from Europe and Central Asia, where the numbers were about 30 percent compared with 22 percent overall.

Latin Americans were those most likely to cross the border illegally — 41 percent compared with 20 percent overall. In California, the rate was even higher, with 62 of Latin American and Caribbean legal permanent residents having once crossed the border illegally.

Hill said her study also tried to compare current results against what might happen if the immigration reform measures that were proposed but dropped by the U.S. Congress last year were to come to fruition.

Those measures emphasize a more merit-based immigrant selection process compared with the family-focused immigration system in place since 1965.

The study reports that those immigrants now labeled as brand-new arrivals, who make up about 33 percent of current green card holders in California, would be least likely to be admitted under the proposed system because they are less likely to have relatives to sponsor them and, by definition, cannot obtain the U.S. work experience that would be an important factor in the merit-based system.

For the full report, visit www.ppic.org.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/bayandstate/ci_9483556

This shows what the effects are of state failure to enforce the immigration laws. Now there is an attitude in place that first you should violate the aw then they reward you by making you legal. What American citizens want the laws they pass do not count and besides even if you are illegal when you get here do not worry you will eventually be one yourself.

[quote]“It highlights how overly simplified our understanding of immigrants and immigration can be,â€

It is absolutely imperative that the U.S. implement a MERIT based immigration system instead of the current relative sponshorship family reunification haphazard mess we have now.

Of green card holders living in California, only 33 percent are new to the United States, never having entered the country before becoming legal residents here, according to the study. Another 15 percent previously visited the country at least once without violating immigration rules.

But a majority — 52 percent — had past experience living in the country illegally, usually without the government knowing about it, Hill said.

Thirty-five percent of the California green card holders had come into the United States at least once before by illegally crossing the border, while 18 percent violated the terms of a legal visit by overstaying a tourist visa or working when they were not supposed to.

"It highlights how overly simplified our understanding of immigrants and immigration can be," said Hill, who said a stark distinction between "illegal" and "legal" immigrants does not acknowledge the frequent correlation between both categories. "We need to be a little more cognizant of the variety and breadth of experience."

We need to make sure that the world knows if you come here illegally you will not get a green card and will be deported. We need to enforce the laws, amnesty has failed.
We need to be more cognizant in making sure all who come here, come legally! If you disrepect our laws, you will gain nothing!

[quote="zeezil"][quote]“It highlights how overly simplified our understanding of immigrants and immigration can be,â€

This is yet another reason why I think the borders need to be CLOSED!!!!!!!

One could almost get the impression that those who enter the country illegally enjoy some sort of advantage over those who wait in their countries of orgin to enter legally. The numbers certainly suggest this to be a possible.

I hope that's not the case...

Originally Posted by NoBueno

One could almost get the impression that those who enter the country illegally enjoy some sort of advantage over those who wait in their countries of orgin to enter legally. The numbers certainly suggest this to be a possible.

I hope that's not the case...

They absolutely do enjoy a clear advantage over those of us who have followed the rules. My wife and kids waited three years to get here legally on a temporary visa, 2 years ago. We have renewed that visa and it will be at least one more year before they get "green cards". I have a folder containing all the paperwork that I have filed on our case that measures 2 1/2 inches thick. I have spent around $12,700 for application fees, medical exams, records checks, etc. Did this all on my own, without hiring an immigration lawyer. They generally charge an additional $3000 to $10,000. I don't really have a complaint about the effort involved in immigrating legally, although I think the process is overly complicated. Those who follow the rules are basically getting screwed, relative to those who are being granted amnesty.

Originally Posted by legal4mykidsfuture

Those who follow the rules are basically getting screwed, relative to those who are being granted amnesty.

Sadly true and unacceptable. An upside down world.

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Here is Krikorian's take on this story:

National Review Online
the corner

Thursday, June 05, 2008

This Is Not Your Father's Immigration [Mark Krikorian]

A new report from a high-immigration outfit showing, yet again, that many of each year's new "legal" immigrants are actually illegal aliens using the system to launder their status. Nationwide, 42 percent of new legal permanent residents (green-card recipients) in 2003 were former illegal aliens, and in California, the figure was 52 percent. Among the new immigrants from Latin America and the Caribbean, 62 percent were former illegal aliens. More proof that legal and illegal immigration are two sides of the same coin.

06/05 02:24 PM

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/? ... IxMjg4ODA=

Link to the full report:

http://www.ppic.org/main/publication.asp?i=768