Thread: New U.S.-bound group of invaders leaves San Salvador 10/28/18

I didn't say you "said that". I'm asking you a simple question. If you don't know or don't want to answer, don't worry about it.

Originally Posted by Judy

So if we give them more trade and more aid, will that stop them?

I doubt it. Some things that are broken just can't be fixed.

But always remember the most important thing they teach you in Special Ops Training.

"There is no problem know to man that can't be solved with the appropriate sized explosive device."

U.S.-bound migrants enter Guatemala, others clash at border

By Nelson Renteria and Delphine Schrank
,Reuters•October 28, 2018

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People walk in a caravan of migrants departing from El Salvador en route to the United States, in San Salvador

People walk in a caravan of migrants departing from El Salvador en route to the United States, in San Salvador, El Salvador, October 28, 2018. REUTERS/Jose Cabezas


By Nelson Renteria and Delphine Schrank

SONSONATE, El Salvador/TAPANATEPEC, Mexico (Reuters) - A new group of migrants bound for the United States set off from El Salvador and crossed into Guatemala on Sunday, following thousands of other Central Americans fleeing poverty and violence who have taken similar journeys in recent weeks.

The group of more than 300 Salvadorans left the capital San Salvador on Sunday. A larger group of mostly Hondurans, estimated to number between 3,500 and 7,000, who left their country in mid-October and are now in southern Mexico, has become a key issue in U.S. congressional elections.

A third group broke through a gate at the Guatemala border with Mexico in Tecun Uman on Sunday, and clashed with police.

Local first responders said that security forces used rubber bullets against the migrants, and that one person, Honduran Henry Adalid, 26, was killed.

Six police officers were injured, said Beatriz Marroquin, the director of health for the Retalhuleu region.

Mexico's Interior Minister Alfonso Navarrete told reporters on Sunday evening that federal police did not have any weapons, even to fire plastic bullets.

He said that some of the migrants had guns while others had Molotov cocktails, and this information had been passed on to other Central American governments.

Guatemala's government said in a statement that it regrets that the migrants didn't take the opportunity of dialogue and instead threw stones and glass bottles at police.

U.S. President Donald Trump and his fellow Republicans have sought to make immigration a major issue ahead of Nov. 6 elections, in which the party is battling to keep control of Congress.

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen on "Fox News Sunday" said Trump was determined to use every authority he had to stop immigrants from crossing the border illegally.

"We have a crisis at the border right now ... This caravan is one iteration of that but frankly we essentially see caravans every day with these numbers," she said.

"I think what the president is making clear is every possible action, authority, executive program, is on the table to consider, to ensure that it is clear that there is a right and legal way to come to this country and no other ways will be tolerated," Nielsen added.

Trump has threatened to shut down the border with Mexico and last week said he would send troops. On Friday, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis authorized the use of troops and other military resources at the U.S.-Mexico border.

BLISTERING HEAT

By Sunday evening, hundreds of the Salvadorans had crossed the border into Guatemala, having walked and hitched rides in pickups and on buses from the capital.

They organized using social networks like Facebook and WhatsApp over the last couple of weeks, inspired by the larger group in Mexico.

Salvadoran police traveled with the group, who carried backpacks and water bottles and protected themselves from the hot sun with hats.

Several migrants, gathered by the capital's 'Savior of the World' statue before leaving, said they were headed to the United States.

El Salvador's left-wing government said it had solidarity with the migrants and respected their right to mobilize, but urged them not to risk their lives on the way.

In Mexico, the original group of Hondurans, exhausted by constant travel in blistering heat, spent Sunday resting up in the town of Tapanatepec, Oaxaca, planning to head north at 3 am on Monday.

"It's far ... the farthest yet," said Honduran Bayron Baca, 26, pulling open a map that Red Cross volunteers had given him in a medical tent.

Dozens took dips in a nearby river to refresh themselves from the trek, which has covered an average 30 miles (48 km) a day.

An estimated 2,300 children were traveling with the migrant caravan, UNICEF said in a statement, adding that they needed protection and access to essential services like healthcare, clean water and sanitation.

Eduardo Grajales, a Red Cross volunteer in Arriaga, Mexico, attending to migrants on Friday night, said the worst case his colleagues had seen that day was of a baby so badly sunburned from the tropical heat, he had to be hospitalized.

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Caravan migrant dies in clash at border bridge

Migrant caravan won't stop if U.S. cuts off aid to Central America

Cut off Western Union!

Capital flight!

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

Migrant caravan won't stop if U.S. cuts off aid to Central America

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They do NOT stop when we do give them the money!

So give them nothing but a boot right across the border!

Originally Posted by Beezer

They do NOT stop when we do give them the money!

So give them nothing but a boot right across the border!

Exactly. And cutting/blocking the new aid is actually working. Look at how hard Guatemala and Mexico are working now to stop it. Even Honduras who is offering them jobs if they'll come back.

BORDER SECURITY

Why Trump’s Threat to Cut Foreign Aid Might Not Stop Caravan

Formal assistance from U.S. is far less valuable to Central America than wired cash from their citizens

By Brendan Kirby | Thursday, October 18, 2018


While President Donald Trump has threatened to block U.S. aid to Central American countries that fail to take action against a migrant caravan headed north from Honduras and Guatemala through Mexico to the United States, the cash at risk is a relative pittance.

The real money can be found in the dollars that Central Americans living in the United States, legally and illegally, send home every year.

The numbers are not even close.

“Most of the money given [in aid] to these small Latin American states is not significant enough to have a major impact,” said Matthew O’Brien, director of research at the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).

A database maintained by the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), which tracks all military and civilian assistance by the federal government, shows American taxpayers spent the following sums in these Central American countries in fiscal year 2017:

1.) Guatemala — $229.3 million.
2.) Honduras — $144 million.
3.) El Salvador — $91.2 million.

That is chump change compared with the cash infusion those economies receive from money wired by people in the United States. A 2017 report by the Inter-American Dialogue, a think tank that promotes better cooperation in the Western Hemisphere, estimates that 17 Latin American and Caribbean nations received $75 billion in such remittances in 2017. That was an 8 percent increase over 2016.

The think tank, which based its estimate on data from those countries’ central banks, pegged Guatemala’s share of those remittances at almost $8.2 billion. Flows to Honduras totaled an estimated $4.33 billion, and El Salvador got $5.02 billion.

Those numbers are “mind-boggling,” O’Brien said.

That money accounts for a staggering share of the region’s gross domestic product (GDP) — 11.5 percent of Guatemala’ GDPs, 18.3 percent of El Salvador’s GDP and 19.5 percent of Honduras’ GDP.

“These countries have become so dependent on remittances that they look the other way on illegal immigration and don’t have a lot of incentive to stop it … It’s really a pathetic economic development plan,” said Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies at the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS). “It’s not in their self-interest to interfere with the movement of people.”

Not all of the money wired to the Central American nations comes from illegal immigrants, of course. Green card holders and even some citizens send cash to relatives.

But Spencer Morrison, editor-in-chief of the National Economics Editorial, estimated in a post for the Center for American Greatness that illegal immigrants accounted for about $30 billion of the $138.2 billion that the Pew Research Center estimates flowed out of the United States in 2016.

Taking the Inter-American Dialogue’s estimate of the average remittance sent to each country, and the Migration Policy Institute’s estimate of the illegal immigrant population broken down by nationality, it is possible to come up with a ballpark estimate of how much money flowing to the three Central American countries comes from people living illegally in the United States.

The totals are about $1.7 billion to Honduras, $1.8 billion to El Salvador and $4.1 billion to Guatemala.

The “March for the Migrant” caravan left Honduras over the weekend with people who said they were fleeing violence and poor job opportunities back home. NBC News reported that it now has grown to some 4,000 people, including men, women and children.

Trump tweeted Tuesday that he had warned Honduras that he would withhold aid to the country if it did not stop the caravan.

“Until now, Mexico has been perfectly willing to look the other way as long as they knew they would be admitted to the United States.’

The threat seems to have gotten some results. The Guatemalan government this week issued a statement indicating that it would stop the caravan. Authorities in Guatemala also arrested Bartolo Fuentes, a former Honduran lawmaker who helped organize the endeavor.

“Trump is doing what he knows he can do without going through Congress,” said Chris Chmielenski, deputy director of the low-immigration advocacy group NumbersUSA.

Vaughan, who was a foreign service officer at the State Department before joining CIS, told LifeZette that there probably was little Honduras could do to stop the caravan since governments cannot prevent their own citizens from leaving the country.

With the caravan now in Guatemala, Vaughan said, that shifts attention to Mexico.

“Mexico is the key country here,” she said. “Until now, Mexico has been perfectly willing to look the other way as long as they knew they would be admitted to the United States.’

There are signs that may be changing. NBC reported that the Mexican government sent 500 additional police to the country’s southern border with Guatemala.

Incoming Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, who takes office December 1, has sent mixed messages. On the campaign trail, he vowed not to do the “dirty work” of the United States by stopping Central American migrants.

But NBC reported that the López Obrador said Wednesday that he would give jobs and work visas to immigrants from Central America.

Immigration hawks, however, said that foreign policy can only do so much to solve the problem. Vaughan said Congress needs to close the loopholes that make it easy for illegal immigrants to delay deportation with baseless asylum claims and other policies that make it hard to send them back.

“The real reason they’re coming is because U.S. policy allows it,” she said.
O’Brien, the FAIR research director, made a similar point.

“The first and most obvious thing to take into account, the thing that’s going to stop this sort of thing, is a wall,” he said.

https://www.lifezette.com/2018/10/why-trumps-threat-to-cut-foreign-aid-might-not-stop-caravan/