Thread: Paul Gosar: No Downside for Trump in Shutting Down Government to Get Full Wall Fundin

Fund the wall and shut down ALL asylum for the next 12 months.

These illegal aliens need to get on the buses and go back home.

Mexico does not want them and the USA does not want them.

Their President's need to solve their problems and take care of their citizens.

No money, no aid, no oatmeal and no entry into our country.

We have millions of our own homeless, thousands who lost their homes in natural disasters!

22 trillion in debt...do not let them in!

Americans everywhere have worked more and harder in the past 2 years than in any period in almost 50 years. This is Christmas season, now is no time to have a Loser's Tantrum and Spectacle that punishes innocent federal employees and their families by depriving them of their livelihood or annoy Americans with employees forced on a strike while Congresscritters fly home with all of their compensation, benefits and perks beating on their chests about how tough they are with DemoQuacks. You were just DEFEATED by DemoQuacks. They out-play you because they stick together and you don't. Otherwise, Republicans would have won these mid-terms and elected 60 Republican Senators, God knows you had the results and track record to win them by a landslide, thus having all the leverage in the world you would ever need to pass whatever bills and funding we need and want.

But you didn't stick together, so DemoQuacks are laughing all the way to the bank and back.

Do people understand that what they're fighting over is the measly difference between the $5 billion in Yoder's Amendment over 2 years that Trump wants which is $2.5 billion a year and the $1.6 billion a year the DemoQuacks have already agreed to? Yes, $900 million a year. That's what you want to put before the American People as a Loser's Spectacle, shutting down 30% of our federal work force without pay at Christmas Time for? No, don't do that. Use $900 million a year or more of US DOD funding and keep those handsome US Marines on that border loaded for bear with flatbeds lined up as far as the eye can see filled to their brim with concertina wire.

Memo to Illegal Aliens:

You may get in here,
but you won't get in here alive. -- US Marines

Originally Posted by Judy

Americans everywhere have worked more and harder in the past 2 years than in any period in almost 50 years. This is Christmas season, now is no time to have a Loser's Tantrum and Spectacle that punishes innocent federal employees and their families by depriving them of their livelihood or annoy Americans with employees forced on a strike while Congresscritters fly home with all of their compensation, benefits and perks beating on their chests about how tough they are with DemoQuacks. You were just DEFEATED by DemoQuacks. They out-play you because they stick together and you don't. Otherwise, Republicans would have won these mid-terms and elected 60 Republican Senators, God knows you had the results and track record to win them by a landslide, thus having all the leverage in the world you would ever need to pass whatever bills and funding we need and want.

But you didn't stick together, so DemoQuacks are laughing all the way to the bank and back.

Do people understand that what they're fighting over is the measly difference between the $5 billion in Yoder's Amendment over 2 years that Trump wants which is $2.5 billion a year and the $1.6 billion a year the DemoQuacks have already agreed to? Yes, $900 million a year. That's what you want to put before the American People as a Loser's Spectacle, shutting down 30% of our federal work force without pay at Christmas Time for? No, don't do that. Use $900 million a year or more of US DOD funding and keep those handsome US Marines on that border loaded for bear with flatbeds lined up as far as the eye can see filled to their brim with concertina wire.

Memo to Illegal Aliens:

You may get in here,
but you won't get in here alive. -- US Marines

There is so much wrong with this, I don't even know where to start, but I will start with this....

keep those handsome US Marines on that border loaded for bear with flatbeds lined up as far as the eye can see filled to their brim with concertina wire.

Marines to Illegal Aliens:

You may get in here,
but you won't get in here alive.


Did you read that 200 family units waltzed through in less than 24 hours?
Why do you spread false propaganda?

Otherwise, Republicans would have won these mid-terms and elected 60 Republican Senators, God knows you had the results and track record to win them by a landslide, thus having all the leverage in the world you would ever need to pass whatever bills and funding we need and want.

Track record of no Wall, 60,000 invaders coming through a month, and you call that the results and track record to win by a landslide?

I wasn't referring to results and track record on illegal immigration. I'm referring to all the other results and track record on many other important issues, like trade, growth in manufacturing, tax cuts, economy, jobs, health care, drug prices, veterans care, military, Syria, ISIS, North Korea, wages, stock market, interest rates, energy development, deregulation, refugee admission reductions, travel ban, withdrawal from TPP, Paris Climate Accord and Iran Nuclear Deal, judicial appointments, Save the Seas law, the Artists protection law, worker training, worker apprenticeship, and by the end of the session, there will be even more good laws passed and signed into law by Republicans, with much more in the works.

Unfortunately, the legislation needed to fix illegal immigration and excess legal immigration isn't eligible for budget reconciliation votes and need bipartisan agreement which wasn't possible due to DemoQuacks blocking everything. The President and Administration can do some things without Congress and tried that, but stopping Sanctuary Cities, Catch and Release and DACA were all blocked by the Courts.

The will of the American People was vividly expressed in the mid-term elections and it wasn't even close. Americans voted overwhelmingly by 9 million votes in favor of an Open Borders DemoQuack Controlled US House of Representatives and Republican Controlled Senate. All appropriation bills originate in the US House of Representatives, so the people don't want funding for border security or walls or anything else that might offend illegal aliens trying to get in or least of all deport any of those already here.

Those who chose to fight Republicans in the mid-terms won that battle, but our country and citizens lost the war against illegal immigration in the process.

We can still fight amnesty and win and at least make sure they don't ever vote legally. Sure, we can do that, and we're very good at it, too.

Trump can still fight illegal immigration through his powers of executive authority, even though some of that will be challenged by lawsuits which he might win but could also lose, but he can and I'm sure will do that, using new regulations, diplomacy, economic sanctions and the US active military on the border are some of things he could do himself, in fact, he's already doing some of these things.

Gosar is right, it's time to take a stand. The time for empty threats and failed rhetoric is over.

Trump defenders are great at singing his praises and kissing the ground he walks on, but when it comes time to hold his feet to the fire, where are they?

Do people understand how a government shut down occurs? The President doesn't actually shut down the government. Congress does that by failing to appropriate funds or passing a continuing resolution while they negotiate and continue to work on it.

Originally Posted by Judy

Do people understand how a government shut down occurs? The President doesn't actually shut down the government. Congress does that by failing to appropriate funds or passing a continuing resolution while they negotiate and continue to work on it.

Perhaps you should school Trump on that then....

Exclusive: Trump threatens government shutdown over border wall funding

Nine days ahead of a deadline that could trigger a partial government shutdown, with no solution in sight, the president told POLITICO in an Oval Office interview on Tuesday that he is unflinchingly firm Congress must send him a bill approving $5 billion for his wall on the U.S.-Mexico border and that he would "totally be willing" to shut down the government if he doesn't get it.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...erview-1023306

Originally Posted by Judy

I wasn't referring to results and track record on illegal immigration. I'm referring to all the other results and track record on many other important issues, like trade, growth in manufacturing, tax cuts, economy, jobs, health care, drug prices, veterans care, military, Syria, ISIS, North Korea, wages, stock market, interest rates, energy development, deregulation, refugee admission reductions, travel ban, withdrawal from TPP, Paris Climate Accord and Iran Nuclear Deal, judicial appointments, Save the Seas law, the Artists protection law, worker training, worker apprenticeship, and by the end of the session, there will be even more good laws passed and signed into law by Republicans, with much more in the works.

They got the cart before the horse, instead of trying to save this country from an invasion, the R's were apparently trying to make the country nicer for the invaders.

All those items you listed are moot, if and when we no longer have a country.

A President doesn't fund the government, the US Congress does. Failure to fund by Congress results in a shut down due to lack of funds. A President can veto an appropriation bill, and it goes back to Congress, who can fix the bill so the President will sign it, over-ride the veto with a 2/3 majority vote and fund the government, pass a continuing resolution to fund the government at existing funding levels until a fixed funding bill is ready that the President will sign, or do nothing and shut down the government. Under any scenario, the decision to fund or not to fund is made by Congress, not the President.

But I understand why reporters and people refer to the veto by a President as "shutting down the government", even though that's wrong, because the funding doesn't die there, it goes back to Congress for action.

Republicans worked their asses off especially Trump trying to fix this illegal immigration and excess legal immigration mess, they just didn't have the votes, because there weren't enough Republicans in the Senate to pass an immigration bill on their own and no DemoQuack would vote with them unless it had a big amnesty in it, and then the Republicans drop off.