Thread: Race and Gangs in L.A.

Why can't we OUTLAW THE OUTLAWS??? Why can't we get legislation that will MAKE IT A FELONY TO BELONG TO A GANG??? Why can't we bring in the military to take out the gangs??? Why can't we remove the legal status of gangbangers (anchor babies), along with ALL illegal gangbangers and their families, and deport them? WHY CAN'T WE ELIMINATE THIS PROBLEM???? IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!!! [size=18

Race and gangs in L.A.

Race is part of Los Angeles' gang problem. It also should be part of the solution.
March 31, 2008


This just in: Rivalry between African American gangs and their Latino counterparts is adding a new and troubling racial element to the epidemic of violence in many of Los Angeles' neighborhoods. That statement, or versions of it, have appeared in local and national news reports over the last several weeks and were repeated Thursday after Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Police Chief William J. Bratton finally emerged from their period of denial and acknowledged that, yes, there may have been a racial element at play in the recent spate of vicious gang killings.

That statement also could have been made 15 years ago. In fact, it was. The Times reported in 1993 that "black and Latino gangs have begun to clash over turf and drugs, sparking a series of violent interracial battles that authorities say signals an ominous turn in the region's gang warfare."

A destructive and paradoxical attitude toward race has long undermined this city's ability to effectively deal with gang violence. Racial conflict is big news, and media establishments, including The Times, are quick to zero in on the race element of any story dealing with crime or violence. Even when this paper has excelled at coverage that moves beyond race conflict, it has tended to do so in fits and starts.

Race is indeed part of the Los Angeles gang epidemic, but it masks two basic facts: first, that in most neighborhoods, Latinos and African Americans work cooperatively to fight violence, and second, that most Latino gang victims are killed by Latino gang members and most African American victims are killed by African Americans. Despite the best efforts of their parents and neighbors, school-age children and teenagers of all races in many parts of the city live their lives in constant fear. Gangs pit themselves against gangs, and the terror they spread is no less horrendous when victims and perpetrators are of the same race.

But to deny that race is a factor in gang violence is to turn a blind eye to the role of race-based prison gangs in training their foot soldiers, to the inevitable economic struggle between competing demographic groups and to the substandard schools and services that many blacks and Latinos alike must endure.

To effectively deal with gang violence, city leaders -- and editors -- must overcome the dual delusion of racial hyper-focus and racial denial. If race is a part of the problem, common sense dictates that it be included as an integral part of the solution, in a coordinated and monitored city program of expert, well-trained, open-eyed and multiracial gang intervention specialists. It is one piece -- but only one -- of a still-nonexistent city commitment to get children from home to school and back, and through adolescence, without damage or fear.


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la- ... 3590.story

Repeal Special Order 40, collaborate with ICE, and yes, arrest our way out of this problem. Just get these dangerous thugs OFF our streets! In Los Angeles, Buffalo or wherever -- just do it now!

start be deporting illegals and you will see gang violence go down - period. The powers that be in LA need to stop the denial. The murder of Jamiel Shaw was racist too on top of being senseless. Antonio Villaraigosa bears responsability in this tragedy. The Espinoza scumbag should have been deported before he had an opportunity to rob us of this fine young man! But no Mr Mayor is trying to spin this into something complicated and convoluted. It is simple Antonio, you get rid of illegals - intiende usted?

Originally Posted by Populist

Repeal Special Order 40, collaborate with ICE, and yes, arrest our way out of this problem. Just get these dangerous thugs OFF our streets! In Los Angeles, Buffalo or wherever -- just do it now!

Great recommendations Populist!

The solution is simple. The real problem is so called leaders such Antonio Villereigosa who LACK THE WILL OR DESIRE to penalize his beloved illegals and gang bangers. This is at root of this problem which must be addressed in Los Angeles.

Originally Posted by NoBueno

Originally Posted by Populist

Repeal Special Order 40, collaborate with ICE, and yes, arrest our way out of this problem. Just get these dangerous thugs OFF our streets! In Los Angeles, Buffalo or wherever -- just do it now!

Great recommendations Populist!

The solution is simple. The real problem is so called leaders such Antonio Villereigosa who LACK THE WILL OR DESIRE to penalize his beloved illegals and gang bangers. This is at root of this problem which must be addressed in Los Angeles.

Absolutely! You know if the boy killed had been hispanic killed by a black gang member, Villaraigosa and his posse would have been screaming hate crime all the way. VOTE THIS BUM OUT AND DEPORT! DEPORT! DEPORT!

Populist wrote:

Repeal Special Order 40, collaborate with ICE, and yes, arrest our way out of this problem. Just get these dangerous thugs OFF our streets! In Los Angeles, Buffalo or wherever -- just do it now!

Other federal law enforcement agencies should be used also. Are not gangs terrorist organizations?

Revoke sanctuary city status and with-hold federal funds from any city or political subdivision which refuses to comply. People may chose to defy the Supremecy Clause which makes federal law supreme
but they won't ignore actions that cost them money.

Report and deport. Parents of minors are responsible for their children--if parents are illegal immigrants, deport the entire family.

Nothing unites people as much as a common language. Start uniting students instead of emphasing differences.

Senator Dole introduced S. 2719
To provide that Executive Order 13166 shall have no force or effect, and to prohibit the use of funds for certain purposes.

It nullifies Bill Clinton's Executive Order 13166-- `Improving Access to Services for Persons with Limited English Proficiency' (August 16, 2000; 65 Fed. Reg. 50121), is null and void and shall have no force or effect.

All government enities, including schools and voting ballots, would use English only. It would end the insanity of English as a Secondary Language garbage. No more 'press one for English'!!!!

WE MUST GET THIS BILL PASSED.

More information on the bill is in a post made by Dixie:

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-109868-sen ... l+dole+law

It is quite insulting and patronizing to immigrate to a country and expect it to adapt to the very things one left behind. This is the behavior of a conqueror, not an immigrant."
Thomas Lifson