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    Recruiting the undocumented for the military is proposed

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    Recruiting the undocumented for the military is proposed
    Recruiters eye wider pool
    By Jose Cardenas, Times Staff Writer
    Published Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:30 PM

    CLEARWATER — This month's death of Army Spc. Arturo Huerta-Cruz in Iraq cast a spotlight on troops serving in the U.S. military who are not American citizens.

    Huerta-Cruz, 23, was born in a small town in rural Mexico and moved to Clearwater with his family when he was 10. He was a legal permanent resident, or a "green card" soldier.

    That made him an exception. Noncitizens account for about 5 percent of the troops in all the branches of the U.S. military. Noncitizens now must have green cards to enlist.

    But as the nation fights wars on two fronts, some wonder whether the military should recruit more heavily among immigrants here — even undocumented ones — as well as foreigners in their own countries.

    Yes, say some intellectuals at Washington, D.C., think tanks.

    "Those of us who support recruiting foreigners believe they are often very skilled, motivated, and in the great American tradition of immigration," Michael O'Hanlon, a Brookings Institution senior fellow on foreign policy said in an e-mail.

    The "Dream Act" bill that failed in Congress last year would have done more than legalize undocumented high school students who aspire to college. It also would have given green cards to undocumented high school students who served in the military.

    Such students "are well educated, they are not troublemakers, they are bilingual," said Jorge Mariscal, a professor of Latino studies at the University of California, San Diego.

    "The military wants to get their hands on those folks," added Mariscal, a Vietnam veteran.

    The nonprofit CNA Corp. based in Virginia has recommended mining the legal immigrant community more heavily for military recruits.

    "One overlooked source of military manpower is immigrants and their families," according to a 2005 report by CNA, which advises public employers on issues ranging from national security to international affairs.

    "In fact," the organization concluded, "much of the growth in the recruitment-eligible population will come from immigration."

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    Along with immigrant groups who have fought for the United States — Irish-Americans in the Civil War, for example — noncitizens also have enlisted since the Revolutionary War.

    Green card soldiers have received widespread publicity during the Iraq war because some of the first casualties were Latin-American immigrants.

    One was Lance Cpl. Jose Antonio Gutierrez, 22, from Southern California.

    Gutierrez was an orphan in Guatemala. Fleeing poverty, he came to the United States illegally. In Southern California, he entered the foster care system and got a green card.

    He joined the Marines.

    He was killed on March 21, 2003, by enemy fire as American troops tried to secure Umm Qasr. A movie about him, The Short Life of Jose Antonio Gutierrez, was released last year.

    After the war started, President Bush signed an executive order allowing immigrants in the military to apply for citizenship immediately. Congress followed with legislation that shortened the time that immigrants in the military have to wait during peacetime to apply for citizenship, from three years to one year.

    As of February, there were 20,326 immigrants in active duty in all branches of the military. Another 13,151 were in the Reserves.

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    It's a small slice of the military, but CNA recommends that the armed forces should target more legal immigrants as recruits.

    The foreign-born population in the United States at the time of the CNA report — 12 percent — was at least twice as high as their representation in the military.

    Also, a third of the world's population is younger than 15, and many of those young people will make their way to the United States, where some will become legal residents.

    For the military, the linguistic and cultural diversity of noncitizens are especially valuable, the CNA authors said.

    They add that many immigrants are interested in the expedited process for citizenship that enlisted immigrants receive.

    Meanwhile, O'Hanlon of the Brookings Institution and Council on Foreign Relations senior fellow Max Boot have called for a "new chapter in the annals of American immigration."

    Their proposal: give foreigners recruited from other countries as well as those already here citizenship after four years of military service. That, they believe, could create a path toward assimilation for undocumented immigrants without green cards. Besides, they note, the military already relaxed age and other restrictions, including those accepting enlistees with criminal records, to meet recruiting goals.

    "The idea of offering citizenship to foreigners who first join the armed forces should be a winner for everyone," they wrote in the Washington Post in 2006. "It is good for immigrants. … It is good for a beleaguered American military that is simply too small for the tasks it has been handed."

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    Not surprisingly, others oppose the idea of increasing the number of noncitizens fighting for American ideals.

    The military would become a low-wage occupation like other industries now dominated by immigrants, warns Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors more restrictive immigration policies.

    "If enlisting were a way to get legalized or a way to get into the United States," Krikorian said, "soldiering would become a job Americans would not do very rapidly."

    Some in the Hispanic community, already weary of recruitment among its youths, agree.

    Said Mariscal: "It would be another example of the exploitation of cheap labor."

    Even now, American citizenship is not guaranteed for immigrant serving in the military, Mariscal said. Meanwhile, some countries strip their nationals of citizenship if they serve in foreign militaries.

    "Those people who did it would have no country," Mariscal said.

    In Clearwater, Huerta-Cruz — one of 144 immigrants who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001 — was buried Tuesday.

    Calvary Catholic Cemetery on U.S. 19 is his final resting place.

    And one day, the United States could become his home country.

    That's because Army officials have said they will seek posthumous citizenship for Huerta-Cruz.

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    You don't allow foreigners into your millitary. That's just stupid, beyond stupid! Same reason you don't let strangers into your house!!!!!!!!!!

    We can't even keep home grown crazies like Tim McVey out of the military so there is no way for us to confirm the backgrounds of someone that has not even lived in the US. They have a whole lifetime of deeds that can not be investigated with certainty or know that they are even who they claim to be. Anyone that thinks this is a good idea doesn't know anything about the military and is naive.

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    It wouldn't be a bad idea in time of war. This is what France does for the Foreign Legion. Hopefully we will be able to stay out of trouble in the future. Much of what we have tried to accomplish in the War on Terror could be done much more effectively and with less cost by international police work. Afganistan might be different--but at least it is a NATO operation. As it is we still create a lot of misunderstandings, which makes accomplishing the final result much more difficult.
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    The Three basic Tenants of the Military on the battle field is

    Move
    Shoot
    Communicate

    As a former team Leader, Squad Leader and Platoon Sergeant this is an almost impossible task. Understanding what is said and what is meant is imperitive and can get fellow soldiers killed on a battle field is someone doesnt understand what you need them to do. Throw in the fog of war, bullets flying and mis-communication and it is a recipe for a disaster

    This reeks of funk
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    We"re facing troubled times in our country and in military recruitment,I believe we need the draft so a cross section of Americans learns some discipline and I can only see the draft having the desired results at present we cannot fight a sustained war of any size and when needed large numbers of troops would be impossible to obtain and mobilize.

    Too many of our youth simply do not want to serve therefore we will be forced to outsource or lower standards to fill the need, big mistake for America but we seem in a rush to destroy something that took 200+ years to build.
    I'm old with many opinions few solutions.

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    I believe our founding fathers already discussed this issue. It was a bad idea then and it stands that way today. You do not allow people in your military if they have not come to this country legally and with the intent on becoming an American.
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    Great idea...The exact same one the Romans had before the Roman Empire fell to hoards of their aspiring recruits.

    Can't we ever learn from history and others mistakes?
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