Thread: Roll Call 814: benefits for illegal aliens, the stolen vote

Does anyone have the video clip or the documentation of the actual vote, "215-213 FINAL"?
C-SPAN and House Roll Call Votes have bleeped all records of the original final vote on House R.C. 814.

House Roll Call 814 was an amendment to H.R. 3161 to prohibit Ag Job benefits from going to illegal aliens. Rep. McNulty (D-NY) thought he was gaveling the vote closed at 214-214. But the clerk had already tallied one more vote before the gavel, which appeared on the scoreboard as "215-213 FINAL," seconds after the gavel. Some arm-twisting by Democrats after the vote closed caused three Democrats to reconsider their official votes, changing the vote to 212-216, which allows illegal aliens to receive benefits from the Ag Jobs bill (and farmers to be reimbursed for it by the taxpayers).

This is the first stolen vote in the history of the U.S. House.

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 814 (Amendment to prevent illegal aliens from receiving benefits from this Ag Jobs bill): 212-216

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 815 (Motion to reconsider R. C. 814): yeas 238 nays 12 present 55 not voting 127 (walkout)

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 816 (H.R. 3161, Making appropriations for Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies programs for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2008, and for other purposes.): yeas 237 nays 18 present 13 not voting 165 (walkout)

House erupts in chaos

In a massive flare-up of partisan tensions (video link courtesy Breitbart.tv), Republicans walked out on a House vote late Thursday night to protest what they believed to be Democratic maneuvers to reverse an unfavorable outcome for them.

The flap represents a complete breakdown in parliamentary procedure and a distinct low for the sometimes bitterly divided chamber because members of one party have rarely, if ever, walked off the floor without casting a vote.

The rancor erupted shortly before 11 p.m. as Rep. Michael R. McNulty (D-N.Y.) gaveled closed the vote on a standard procedural measure with the outcome still in doubt.

Details remain fuzzy, but numerous Republicans argued afterward that they had secured a 215-213 win on their motion to bar undocumented immigrants from receiving any federal funds apportioned in the agricultural spending bill for employment or rental assistance. Democrats, however, argued the measure was deadlocked at 214-214 and failed, members and aides on both sides of the aisle said afterward.

One GOP aide saw McNulty gavel the vote to a close after receiving a signal from his leaders -- but before reading the official tally. And votes continued to shift even after he closed the roll call -- a strange development in itself.

Whatever the final tally, acrimony quickly exploded between lawmakers on either side of the aisle as Democratic leaders tried to plot a solution, while parliamentarians on either side argued over protocol.

Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) eventually offered a motion to reconsider, according to floor staff on either side, ostensibly giving members a chance to recast their votes. But the maneuver sparked a chorus of angry protests from the Republicans, yelling “shameâ€

The democrats are CROOKED! CROOKED! CROOKED!

DOWN WITH THE DEMOCRATS!

The AG BILL NO. 3161 is the bill which they were arguing about last night and is IS PASSED according to Patrick McHenry's staffer, along with the benefits for illegal aliens in the form of welfare.

Although the vote about this issue is being discussed today, the bill is passed allowing benefits. They withdrew the decision to send it to the ethics committee (what a joke) until further discussion takes place.

The last attempt to prohibit welfare benefits to illegals was voted on in what is called a Motion to Recommit which caused the republicans to walk out because of the way it was handled.

I am trying to get a copy of the motion to recommit since it won't be posted online for 24 hours but the staffer who handles this is not available now.

You can get info regarding this at http://clerk.house.gov

Click on the calendar on 8/2

scroll down to the following:
11:00 P.M. -
Mr. Hoyer moved to reconsider the vote.
On motion to recommit with instructions Failed by the Yeas and Nays: 212 - 216 (Roll No. 814).


This will tell you who voted yea (to add the amendment restricting benefits for illegals) or nay (to give illegals benefits by voting against the amendment)
Here is a record of the votes:

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 814
(Democrats in roman; Republicans in italic; Independents underlined)

H R 3161 YEA-AND-NAY 2-Aug-2007 11:01 PM
QUESTION: On Motion to Recommit with Instructions
BILL TITLE: Making appropriations for Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies programs for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2008, and for other purposes.


Yeas Nays PRES NV
Democratic 14 216 1
Republican 198 4
Independent
TOTALS 212 216 5




---- YEAS 212 ---

Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Altmire
Bachmann
Bachus
Baker
Barrett (SC)
Barrow
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Bean
Biggert
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blunt
Boehner
Bonner
Bono
Boozman
Boren
Boustany
Brady (TX)
Broun (GA)
Brown (SC)
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Buchanan
Burgess
Burton (IN)
Buyer
Calvert
Camp (MI)
Campbell (CA)
Cannon
Cantor
Capito
Carney
Carter
Castle
Chabot
Coble
Cole (OK)
Conaway
Cubin
Culberson
Davis (KY)
Davis, David
Davis, Tom
Deal (GA)
Dent
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Doolittle
Drake
Dreier
Duncan
Ehlers
Ellsworth
Emerson
English (PA)
Everett
Fallin
Feeney
Ferguson
Flake
Forbes
Fortenberry
Fossella
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Giffords
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gingrey
Gohmert
Goode
Goodlatte
Granger
Graves
Hall (TX)
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Heller
Hensarling
Herger
Hill
Hobson
Hoekstra
Hulshof
Hunter
Inglis (SC)
Issa
Jindal
Johnson (IL)
Jones (NC)
Jordan
Keller
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kirk
Kline (MN)
Knollenberg
Kuhl (NY)
LaHood
Lamborn
Latham
LaTourette
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Linder
LoBiondo
Lucas
Lungren, Daniel E.
Mack
Manzullo
Marchant
Marshall
Matheson
McCarthy (CA)
McCaul (TX)
McCotter
McCrery
McHenry
McHugh
McIntyre
McKeon
McMorris Rodgers
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller, Gary
Moran (KS)
Murphy, Patrick
Murphy, Tim
Musgrave
Myrick
Neugebauer
Nunes
Paul
Pearce
Pence
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Pickering
Pitts
Platts
Poe
Porter
Price (GA)
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Radanovich
Ramstad
Regula
Rehberg
Reichert
Renzi
Reynolds
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Royce
Ryan (WI)
Sali
Saxton
Schmidt
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shadegg
Shays
Shimkus
Shuler
Shuster
Simpson
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Souder
Stearns
Sullivan
Tancredo
Taylor
Terry
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Turner
Upton
Walberg
Walden (OR)
Walsh (NY)
Wamp
Weldon (FL)
Weller
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (NM)
Wilson (SC)
Wolf
Young (FL)



---- NAYS 216 ---

Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Andrews
Arcuri
Baca
Baird
Baldwin
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd (FL)
Boyda (KS)
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carson
Castor
Chandler
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Conyers
Cooper
Costa
Costello
Courtney
Cramer
Crowley
Cuellar
Cummings
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
Davis, Lincoln
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Donnelly
Doyle
Edwards
Ellison
Emanuel
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Frank (MA)
Gillibrand
Gonzalez
Gordon
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hall (NY)
Hare
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Herseth Sandlin
Higgins
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hirono
Hodes
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hooley
Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kagen
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kind
Klein (FL)
Kucinich
Lampson
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Loebsack
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lynch
Mahoney (FL)
Maloney (NY)
Markey
Matsui
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum (MN)
McDermott
McGovern
McNerney
McNulty
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Melancon
Michaud
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Mitchell
Mollohan
Moore (KS)
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Murphy (CT)
Murtha
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Perlmutter
Peterson (MN)
Pomeroy
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Rodriguez
Ross
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Salazar
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schwartz
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sestak
Shea-Porter
Sherman
Sires
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Solis
Space
Spratt
Stark
Stupak
Sutton
Tanner
Tauscher
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Walz (MN)
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Welch (VT)
Wexler
Wilson (OH)
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
Yarmuth



---- NOT VOTING 5 ---

Clarke
Crenshaw
Davis, Jo Ann
Johnson, Sam
Young (AK)

Originally Posted by NCByrd

http://clerk.house.gov

Click on the calendar on 8/2

scroll down to the following:
11:00 P.M. -
Mr. Hoyer moved to reconsider the vote.

. . .

On motion to recommit with instructions Failed by the Yeas and Nays: 212 - 216 (Roll No. 814).

OK, we have the record of the vote AFTER THE VOTE FIRST ENDED.

But where is any record, recording, or video of the elliipsis (the three dots) - how the vote came to that point?

Where is a video of the "sausage-making process?"

WHY did C-SPAN replay an archived segment while the following was happening?

The vote was 213-215, then both sides of the aisle got busy.
The Democrats sent one rep down to the clerk to change his vote, and
the Republicans sent three reps down to the clerk to change their votes.
This made the scoreboard change as follows:
213-215 (motion to deny illegal aliens benefits from the AgJobs bill fails)
212-216 (one Democrat changed his vote - motion fails)
213-215 (one Republican changed his vote - motion fails)
214-214 (one Republican changed his vote - motion fails)
215-213 FINAL (one Republican changed his vote - motion passed).

When Rep. McNulty (D-NY) saw the scoreboard moving towards passage, he got a cue from his leader to gavel the voting closed after the fourth rep voted. The scoreboard still showed 214-214, but only because the fourth rep's vote was still being processed. Seconds after Rep. McNulty banged the gavel, the fourth vote registered on the scoreboard, which then said, "215-213 FINAL." So the official vote at the clerk's desk (where it counts) was 215-213 at the gavel sound, but that vote only appeared on the scoreboard after it was logged into the House computer system.

Then the scoreboard went blank, the House computer suspiciously "crashed", and the record of the voting was lost . . . but it was not so lost that it could not be reopened when the Democrats found some more votes to change.

Rep. McNulty said, "I closed the vote at 214-214." He sincerely thought it was, but that was an error on his part. He closed the vote at 214-214 on the scoreboard, not knowing that the vote was actually 215-213 at the clerk's desk (the official tally). A junior high school referee could have done a better job; sports referees understand the difference between the "scoreboard clock" and the "timekeeper's official clock."

When the Democrats saw that they had lost the motion, they twisted arms and got three more Democrats to change their votes in the minutes AFTER the voting was gaveled closed. This was not a violation of any law, just a breach of parliamentary procedure and House rules (and any notion of ethics still remaining in the Capitol Building).

So the vote (the one after the FINAL vote) stands at 212-216 and the motion failed . . .
unless the Republicans can twist some more arms, including the Democrat with the gavel, and reopen the vote again . . .

Where is the video?
Where is the computer record?
Where is the evidence of the stolen vote?

Convenience stores do a better job of recording theft than the U.S. Congress.