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    Krikorian is under the impression that when Fidel dies the entire, rancid regime will immediately collapse, which is still a possibility, but more remote now than it was when the hirsute tyrant took ill. I don't think this is going to be a repeat of Haiti, ca. 1994.

    Still, something needs to be done. The original Cuban exiles who fled here, even though they were poor because Castro had stolen all of their assets and possessions, were still highly educated, industrious, and many of them were English-speaking.

    The further we get from 1959, and with each successive wave of Cuban migration to this country, the poorer and less-educated are the people who flee to this country. It's just a simple fact. I don't think that means we should deny political asylum to people who are being legitimately persecuted by Castro's noxious, odious Communist state, but that doesn't mean we should give succor to every economic migrant who comes here because Castro has destroyed that country's economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shapka
    Krikorian is under the impression that when Fidel dies the entire, rancid regime will immediately collapse, which is still a possibility, but more remote now than it was when the hirsute tyrant took ill. I don't think this is going to be a repeat of Haiti, ca. 1994.
    Hope you're right, but I have my doubts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Populist
    Quote Originally Posted by Shapka
    Krikorian is under the impression that when Fidel dies the entire, rancid regime will immediately collapse, which is still a possibility, but more remote now than it was when the hirsute tyrant took ill. I don't think this is going to be a repeat of Haiti, ca. 1994.
    Hope you're right, but I have my doubts.
    I look at it as a slow-moving train wreck.

    You can't avoid reality. Whenever a Communist regime topples the overflow washes over its neighbors.

    East Germany was the supposed showcase for the Soviet Union-the very pinnacle of socialist economic growth-and when the Berlin Wall was taken down the effects on Germany's economy were devastating. They're still trying to rehabilitate it to this day.

    A country like Cuba or North Korea is ten times worse off than E. Germany was, so you need to do something to prevent the disastrous consequences. The best solution would be for the U.S. and Cuba to work out an arrangment where we normalize trade relations in exhange for a staged democratization throughout Cuba, but I doubt that Raul would be willing to accept any lessening of power-he's not that creative.
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    The best solution would be for the U.S. and Cuba to work out an arrangement where we normalize trade relations in exchange for a staged democratization throughout Cuba
    We trade with China big time. They are still a communist regime. Why them and not Cuba?

    I'm serious about this question. I have never been able to understand the distinction.

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    1_Paint wrote:

    We trade with China big time. They are still a communist regime. Why them and not Cuba?

    I'm serious about this question. I have never been able to understand the distinction.
    The United States is engaging with China simply because it wants access to their markets, profits and cheap labor. I know my response is a little simplistic, however, I believe for the most part it is accurate.

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    Cuba has things we want. We have things they want. Their economy would be improved and the maybe the people would be exposed to enough of the world outside Cuba to want change. You can't force democracy on people, democracy is an ideal they have to fight for because they want it.

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    The male Cuban mentality is not much different from the mexican male mentality. Just spend a week in Newark NJ and see for yourself. Newark is innundated with Cubans ...

    When I was 15, my sister was "engaged" to a Cuban guy. I didn't like him at all from the get-go, but I was stuck in Joisey until my week was up. My idiot sister took me and her man's sister to a club for Cubans, wherein I was NOT carded (age 15!!) and was served several alcoholic drinks (I had mostly been raised in a foster home with Christian values, and hadn't ever really been told about alcohol). Plus I thought my sister cared about me ...

    Anyway, after we left the club, her "fiancee" decided he wanted to 'keep it in the family' and my sister got mad at ME for his assault. HIS sister said it was no big deal. The whole mentality of the entire neighborhood was virtually the same as what we see from the messycan invasion.
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