Thread: SC: Tax Fraud - 10 illegals bilked IRS out of $13 million

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Wasn't a tax prep place out west busted a few years ago but the court declared it an invasion of privacy for some dumb reason?

Originally Posted by Ratbstard

Wasn't a tax prep place out west busted a few years ago but the court declared it an invasion of privacy for some dumb reason?

Yep ... a local law enforcement operation wanted the tax returns of all the clients of one of these outfits as part of their investigation, but the judge said the tax returns were protected for privacy. I can sort of understand that because they weren't requesting specific returns with probable cause, it was all the returns on a fishing expedition looking for fraud.

Best solution is to eliminate all these outfits and tax returns altogether and pass the FairTax.

Judy wrote:

If we had the FairTax, there wouldn't be any tax preparers, there wouldn't be any income tax returns to file, there wouldn't be any income tax fraud filing false returns for illegal aliens. Illegal aliens would be paying FairTax without offset or rebate of any kind.

Personally, I don't want to see illegal aliens paying taxes! IMO, forcing them to do so would give the illegal alien supporting crowd more ammunition in their push for amnesty. I realize they already pay taxes on purchased goods, however, most of them aren't paying federal taxes like the rest of us. If you ask me, allowing them to pay the same taxes as American citizens and legal immigrants gives them another leg up in their battle for legalization. I can hear it now, "The undocumented deserve legalization because they are paying the same taxes as Americans and receiving none of the benefits."

Originally Posted by MW

Judy wrote:

If we had the FairTax, there wouldn't be any tax preparers, there wouldn't be any income tax returns to file, there wouldn't be any income tax fraud filing false returns for illegal aliens. Illegal aliens would be paying FairTax without offset or rebate of any kind.

Personally, I don't want to see illegal aliens paying taxes! IMO, forcing them to do so would give the illegal alien supporting crowd more ammunition in their push for amnesty. I realize they already pay taxes on purchased goods, however, most of them aren't paying federal taxes like the rest of us. If you ask me, allowing them to pay the same taxes as American citizens and legal immigrants gives them another leg up in their battle for legalization. I can hear it now, "The undocumented deserve legalization because they are paying the same taxes as Americans and receiving none of the benefits."

Well, MW, if we don't pass the FairTax, illegal aliens will continue to be here because they will always have a wage advantage over American Workers under the present income tax system, because American Workers are paying taxes and illegal aliens aren't. That differential induces employers to hire them because they can pay illegal aliens less than American Workers and the illegal aliens still end up with a higher net wage and can still file these tax returns to claim their earned income and child tax credits, pay no tax and walk away with billions of dollars of tax credit welfare in their pockets which is a huge lure for them to come here.

If we pass the FairTax, they won't receive any earned income tax credits, they won't collect any child tax credits or any other type of tax welfare because there won't be any tax welfare. They can't scam benefits or money through tax returns because there won't be any tax returns. Instead, they'll be paying 23% of whatever they spend in FairTaxes without offset or rebate, while American Workers will be paying 23% of what they spend AFTER they've spent the family consumption allowance because the Rebate that US citizens and legal residents are eligible for if they want it, rebates them every dime they would spend in FairTaxes up to that limit. This gives US citizens and legal residents a 23% net wage advantage over illegal aliens and eliminates any labor savings an employer would try to seek by hiring illegal aliens in the first place.

The advantage of the FairTax to help us stop illegal immigration isn't "who pays", because everyone pays. The advantage is "who gets the Rebate" because that determines who gets the job and "who gets the job" determines whether or not illegal aliens will continue to come to the United States for jobs and whether or not those who are here will stay. Most won't come and most won't stay after we pass the FairTax because no employer is going to hire them because with the FairTax in place, an illegal alien offers no advantage to an employer. Under the FairTax, illegal aliens become undesirable carrying a huge risk of criminal liability for the employer with no meaningful labor savings to make taking that risk worthwhile.

Presently, the pro-amnesty crowd is using the amount of social security tax illegal aliens pay which is around $8 billion a year to wail about their contributions to Social Security which the IRS actually reports on from time to time based on the number of tax returns filed under ITIN numbers. Under the FairTax, there is no IRS, there are no ITIN numbers, because there are no tax returns. There is also no record of how much FairTax illegal aliens pay, because there is no record of what anyone pays. thus there will be no wailing about their "contribution" because it will be totally undocumented, unsubstantiated and unaccountable because no one's FairTaxes are documented, substantiated or accountable.

Under the FairTax, illegal aliens won't have jobs or tax welfare. Instead they'll be paying FairTaxes without offset, rebate or recognitiion until they leave our country. If they start a business, they'll be hounded by state authorities for FairTax collections. They'll be apprehended, reported to ICE, their business confiscated and their butts deported, because under the FairTax, illegal aliens no longer have the protection of the US government. States collect the FairTax, they're paid a fee based on the amount of collections, so they will leave no stone unturned to collect every dime. Plus I believe states will convert to the FairTax too, as will counties and cities, so every citizen who wants to stop illegal immigration can report every illegal business, contractor, vendor etc. to the state, county or city with a simple phone call, an action American business competitors will be more than happy to take.

Furthermore, the 501 C 3 organizations like National Council of La Raza, MALDEF, El Pueblo, SPLC and so many more will no longer have meaningful access to corporate contributions under the FairTax, because corporations will no longer contribute because they will no longer have a tax deduction to justify it because there is no longer any income tax to deduct it from. So, under the FairTax, all those "wailers" and "advocates" and "sponsors" and "friends" will no longer exist because the FairTax shuts 'em down. No tax deduction, no contribution, no money, no high-paid Janets, no lobbying, no political action, nada. All those people that we have fought against every day for the past 5 years will be unemployed under the FairTax.

The FairTax will do more to end illegal immigration than any single legislation we can pass because it engages the entire nation to our side, shuts down its proponents and cuts off its funding sources.

www.fairtax.org

MW, look at this article posted on another ALIPAC thread and tell me if your blood doesn't boil?

Latinos receive mixed signals about their importance in America

Posted Friday, Apr. 02, 2010 Comments (2) Recommend (0) Print

WASHINGTON -- Census Day was a big day at the office of the National Council of La Raza, not only because it was the final day of the drive to reduce the chronic undercount of Hispanic residents but because it marked a time when Latinos in the United States could obtain the latest measure of their growing political power.

The largest and fastest-growing minority group finds itself in an anomalous position this year. In some respects, its stature has never been higher, with the Supreme Court appointment of Sonia Sotomayor signaling that one more historic barrier has fallen to the talent and ambition of the Spanish-speaking community.

But as Janet Murguia, the veteran political organizer and former Clinton White House aide who is president of La Raza reminded me, "As long as the immigration issue is unresolved, we feel under threat."

The mixed signals that Hispanics receive from the larger community, ranging from the accolades for the first Hispanic woman on the high court to the threatening nativist rhetoric of Tom Tancredo at the first Tea Party convention, have produced an almost schizophrenic reaction among Latino constituencies and leaders.

While celebrating the gains they have recorded on such vital issues as healthcare, children's welfare and education from their alliance with Barack Obama, they fret about the backlash they see on illegal immigration and the growing gulf between their own community and most Republican officeholders.

It is a distinctly uncomfortable mood, despite the strong sense they share of imminent and growing political power.

That power ultimately rests on their numbers, which is why the census has been so much on the minds of Latino leaders like Murguia and Eric Rodriguez, a La Raza vice president. The same day, Thursday, that I interviewed them, the Pew Hispanic Center released a poll of Latino voters showing solid majorities of both native and foreign-born Hispanics believe the census results will benefit their community.

This is important because census officials have struggled for years -- and especially this year -- to overcome Latinos' fear of giving full information about themselves to the government enumerators. Assurances that the responses will remain confidential and not be turned over to immigration authorities or other potentially threatening officials are met with skepticism. By staying uncounted, Hispanics reduce the flow of government funds to their cities and states, and even deny themselves representation in Congress and the legislatures.

Overcoming those fears has been a major focus for La Raza and other Hispanic civic and advocacy groups, and for the Census Bureau itself. Without knowing the exact numbers, it is clear that Latinos' role and influence can only expand as the new census results are tallied.

In a recent article, the National Journal's Ronald Brownstein noted that between 1993, the first year of the Clinton administration, and now, the number of House districts where minorities made up at least 30 percent of the population nearly doubled, going from 109 to 205 -- almost half the House of Representatives.

Most of that increase was attributable to Hispanics, because the African-American population is growing much more slowly. As Rep. Xavier Becerra, a California Democrat, told Brownstein, "If you are in a district that is not accustomed to seeing a lot of diversity, the rule now is that you're going to see it. And you can't ignore it. That is the face of America tomorrow."

According to the latest Census Bureau forecasts, Texas will be the main winner of new House seats, with four new districts. Single-seat gains are forecast for Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Washington, Florida, Georgia and South Carolina. How many of those districts will be controlled or influenced by Hispanics will depend on who draws the lines and how they are constructed. But most of those states, and especially Texas, have seen big Hispanic population growth.

The changes we have seen so far -- and the controversies they have spawned -- are likely to be overwhelmed by those yet to come.

David Broder writes for the Washington Post Writers Group. davidbroder@washpost.com

Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/04/02 ... z0k1agBnYr

Why are we reading an article quoting Janet Murguia and Eric Rodriguez of National Council of La Raza about our Census, our Congressional Representation, seats in Congress and our very political system? What does being a Latino have to do with our political system? Being Latino or Asian or Irish or Korean or Native American or English or whatever you want to call yourself besides an American Citizen has nothing whatsoever to do with our political system, Congressional Representation or seats in Congress. Or does it? Well, under our current income tax system, it does, because our income tax system is a tool to fund organizations like National Council of La Raza with tax-exempt contributions from primarily large corporations who take a tax deduction forcing citizens to make up for the loss in higher taxes or higher debt so they can pat themselves on the back contributing to "diversity", which is just another word for keeping an illegal flow of cheap labor into our country for their corporate networking organizations.

Under the FairTax, Janet and Eric will be unemployed because under the FairTax no corporation will receive Board of Directors approval to fund their activities to flood our nation with a bunch of people employers no longer to want to hire, governments no longer want to support and for which there is no tax deduction.

Some very very smart, honest patriot economists developed the FairTax to achieve solutions to a great many problems plaguing our country, and illegal immigration is one of them.

www.fairtax.org

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article ... 13-million

Remember this story the next time you're driving around some commercial "barrio" and your own lying eyes are wide open and paying attention to the signage and the hooptymobile Escalades and Expeditions parked there. Remember it as you run down to the Post Office this April 15.

The why and how non-citizens can get Notary seals and be allowed to prepare other peoples' income tax returns for a fee has been a problem that has been neglected for far too long in NC, SC, and in most of the country.

Think about how many of these joints there are in NC and SC and the whole country. I've known FOR YEARS through my social contacts that the activities described by the Federal Prosecutor are THE RULE and not the exception.

Try mentally to exterpolate the math from the Forest City, NC/Gaffney-Spartanburg, SC area from where this case was developed and visualize the sheer numbers of these "Servicios Hispanos" and flea bag bodega joints all over the place and see if you can visualize a total dollar loss figure to the IRS and the NC and SC Deptartments of Revenue just for NC and SC (or just for your own home county) attributable the the activities and population described by the Federal Prosecutor in upstate SC. And I'd say that the AUSA in this case probably hasn't uncovered all of the tax crimes committed/abetted by the 10 defendants he has nailed and his $13 Million figure is low anyway for this group of 10. But hey, bada bing, bada boom, who's counting?- What's $13 Million or $18 Million anyway? A Hawaii vacation and shoe buying junket for the First Family maybe?

Oh yea let them screw the government something will get done. They have been destroying our lives for years and our wonderful government has done nothing.

13 million that's nothing compared to the cost these people have placed on our shoulders.

FairTax is the way to go unfortunately there are too many crooks and traitors in office as well as the crooks and traitors that support them in office.

There would be a war before our government is going to let go of all that money.

Originally Posted by MW

Judy wrote:

If we had the FairTax, there wouldn't be any tax preparers, there wouldn't be any income tax returns to file, there wouldn't be any income tax fraud filing false returns for illegal aliens. Illegal aliens would be paying FairTax without offset or rebate of any kind.

Personally, I don't want to see illegal aliens paying taxes! IMO, forcing them to do so would give the illegal alien supporting crowd more ammunition in their push for amnesty. I realize they already pay taxes on purchased goods, however, most of them aren't paying federal taxes like the rest of us. If you ask me, allowing them to pay the same taxes as American citizens and legal immigrants gives them another leg up in their battle for legalization. I can hear it now, "The undocumented deserve legalization because they are paying the same taxes as Americans and receiving none of the benefits."

DITTIO MW!