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    There are 2 issues, whether the President has the constitutional authority to permit illegal activity and then the other issue of whether Congress can exempt a narrow group for illegal activity. Neither have the authority because both violate the Constitution.
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    I'm sure if Congress chose to exempt these DACA people, there would suddenly be lawsuits from the ACLU, et al, that such was a discriminatory policy. Sort of a one size fits all argument. Never mind that they are technically not here and thus do not have standing in a court of law (who is "Jose Enrique Gonzlaez?"----I dunno, he lives in Mexico but we are bringing a lawsuit on his behalf and a couple million friends"). The ACLU or LULAC or whoever would just go jurisdiction shopping to find a sympathetic judge, just as they have in the last week to further DACA.
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    I've been posting on this for awhile here, but people don't seem to be able to get their heads around it for some reason. We have a 14th Amendment that guarantees equal protection under the law, that means equal treatment under the law. That means especially equal treatment and equal protection under the law from the law. Because of the 14th Amendment, no Congress or State can pass laws that treat certain people better or worse than others. Our laws must apply equally to everyone.

    An amnesty is meant to forgive those who broke a law before a law was changed. Take the draft amnesty as an example. Soldiers who dodged the draft and went to Canada were eventually given amnesty so they could come back home, AFTER the draft was repealed. If we hopefully some day end the War on Drugs by repealing those federal laws, an amnesty would be appropriate for those currently incarcerated or on parole or whatever, AFTER you repeal those laws. You wouldn't give an amnesty to drug laws while they're still in effect any more than you would give an amnesty for dodging the draft while a draft was still in effect.

    But here with illegal aliens, just as the stupid Congress did in 1986, you are giving an amnesty to illegal aliens who violated US immigration law without first repealing the law, the laws continue to exist and are applied to everyone else. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. It's unconstitutional.

    Makes you wonder about all the lawyers in Congress, doesn't it? Most of them are former prosecutors. Prosecutors who don't know the different between a honest legal amnesty after repealing a law and a discriminatory pile of crap that exempts certain groups from existing law still applied to everyone else in as blatant and bold a manner as "amnesty" for illegal aliens aren't exactly the right people to be in charge of the criminal justice system, let alone the US Congress.

    And for anyone wondering, the answer is no, the US Congress does NOT have the authority to discriminate, it has the obligation to uphold our Constitution in all laws it passes. No branch of government has the authority to create special classes of people who are above the law, not the Courts, not the Congress, not the Executive Branch. They are all bound to the US Constitution including the 14th Amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    I've been posting on this for awhile here, but people don't seem to be able to get their heads around it for some reason. We have a 14th Amendment that guarantees equal protection under the law, that means equal treatment under the law. That means especially equal treatment and equal protection under the law from the law. Because of the 14th Amendment, no Congress or State can pass laws that treat certain people better or worse than others. Our laws must apply equally to everyone.

    An amnesty is meant to forgive those who broke a law before a law was changed. Take the draft amnesty as an example. Soldiers who dodged the draft and went to Canada were eventually given amnesty so they could come back home, AFTER the draft was repealed. If we hopefully some day end the War on Drugs by repealing those federal laws, an amnesty would be appropriate for those currently incarcerated or on parole or whatever, AFTER you repeal those laws. You wouldn't give an amnesty to drug laws while they're still in effect any more than you would give an amnesty for dodging the draft while a draft was still in effect.

    But here with illegal aliens, just as the stupid Congress did in 1986, you are giving an amnesty to illegal aliens who violated US immigration law without first repealing the law, the laws continue to exist and are applied to everyone else. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. It's unconstitutional.

    Makes you wonder about all the lawyers in Congress, doesn't it? Most of them are former prosecutors. Prosecutors who don't know the different between a honest legal amnesty after repealing a law and a discriminatory pile of crap that exempts certain groups from existing law still applied to everyone else in as blatant and bold a manner as "amnesty" for illegal aliens aren't exactly the right people to be in charge of the criminal justice system, let alone the US Congress.

    And for anyone wondering, the answer is no, the US Congress does NOT have the authority to discriminate, it has the obligation to uphold our Constitution in all laws it passes. No branch of government has the authority to create special classes of people who are above the law, not the Courts, not the Congress, not the Executive Branch. They are all bound to the US Constitution including the 14th Amendment.

    That is what I have said, in effect, you cannot give a free pass to people who are breaking our Laws that exist on the books. You cannot say...oh, you came here 30 years ago...our laws to not apply to you...but they apply to everybody else.

    Does not matter if they came 30 years ago or 30 minutes ago. They ALL need to be deported.

    Same with the Student Visa. Foreign citizens apply to come here and get approved to attend our schools. These illegal aliens do not. They need to be booted OUT of our schools. You cannot have one set of laws and rules for people who come here illegally and another set for those who come legally!

    Does not matter how old they were when they came here. Our laws apply to 8 year citizens who break our laws, commit murder, rape, etc!

    No papers, no rights, no entry!
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    Exactly. Any amnesty for any illegal alien for any reason when the law they violated is still existing and in effect, violates the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution, the uniform naturalization and ex post facto clauses of the US Constitution as well as the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965.

    Such amnesties are racist, discriminatory, illegal and unconstitutional, whether done by a President, a Congress and yes, even a Court.
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