Thread: Study: Loss of immigrants would cripple economy

zeezil,

There you go confusing us with facts

[quote="zeezil"] Yeah, those godsend illegal aliens are the true savior of our economy and we couldn't survive without them. I guess every study listed below is just absolutely wrong, then:






Oh no Zeezil, they aren't wrong......I believe that the pro-illegals and illegals refer to these studies as racist, xenophobic, discriminatory, nativist, and scapegoating. I've never heard them use the word "Wrong" though.

The classic circle of lies.

Bring in 20 million, claim they buy food and ect because of course they have to eat and they have to have somewhere to live and ect. This means even more housing is needed and food and ect and ect, then we need even more stuff for the last group that came in. Then after the next group comes in the cycle starts all over. Nothing but a self perpetuating and self fullfilling prophecy.

The business get to work the poor saps for cheap and then sell them the vary goods they make cheap, but not as cheap as they work for.
So, its another cycle of trading your hard work for the products which you make at three times what your paid to make them. The corporate crooks make the profit and thats why they can't live without them. They make money off the illegals coming and going, working and living.

Its like saying I'll trade you a $2 product for your hour of labor.

Now the bad part is, the American workers are put right in the middle of it and we are forced into the same dredgery and slavery as the illegals.

Seems like all the businesses contribute to one business that pays really crappy and treats it workers really badly (business XYZ), then when the contributing businesses pay $8 an hour they proudly lift their head and say "well I'm paying better than business XYZ" like they are really doing something knowing damn well people cannot get ahead at $8 an hour.
Doesn't it just make you sick!

How about this? It seemed to me in 2000 before the mega illegal invasion people were doing pretty well. Yes the ecomony was begining to slide but if the illegals never would have been allowed to come here, Americans would have made that reccesion look like a vacation compared to what we've got now. Every reccesion I've been in has always been bad, but at least when you did get a job, it paid enough to get your financial house in order in a reasonable time. These days with the wages being depressed so low because of illegal immiration, if you are in any kind of debt it'll take years or decades to get out of it, if your lucky! It also seemed to me in other reccesions not only did the majority of people hurt financially, so did the businesses, just about all businesses. Now its just the smaller less established businesses, the big businesses are doing quite well and many are reaping mega profits. They say the banks are hurting but the banks have been racking up for decades, the losses they might be taking now are nothing compared to the maoney they've made since 1996. It also seems alot of these banks have adopted the government accounting system which is taking the projected income from a couple years ago that was inflated then deducting the projected losses which are inflated and that leaves a double inflated number of losses. One things for sure, you can't say you've lost money on a house until the house is sold. Its time the banks do like the American people have to do, hold the houses until the prices go up, then sell. if the banks did this, the pprices would go up over night because nobody would sell for a loss. Thanks to the government system, they can sell it for a loss and then say they lost money for a big tax write off, which gives the banks no incentive to hold on to the houses for a profit later down the road. What makes it so bad is when the banks sell the homes cheap in neighborhoods all over America it devalues the other houses in the neighborhood as well. I think its time for the Real Estate companies and loan companies start valuing homes on the resale data based on prior sales that were legitimate retail sales and not foreclosure sales which are always lower. The foreclosure sales almost always need thousands of dollars worth of work which is not reflected in the resale prices that show up on comparison prices. Or they could just overlook the homes sold by banks and mortgage companies in the comparisons of like houses when appraising the homes value for resale.

Just met another college grad, he's making $7 an hour working at a store, says he can't find a job as a photographer/journalist. He says too many foriegners doing it too cheap. Astonishingly he is a democrat and when I asked him about the illegals he said "they don't bother me any". I asked him if he wanted to get married and have a family one day and he said not anytime soon. I asked him, how are you going to afford to get married and have a family of you can't find a job or if that job only pays $10 an hour? He didn't know, like he never thought about it before. I then said the immigration debate isn't about illegals bothering you, it isn't about liking or not liking someone, its about the law and Americans well being. It isn't racial or about hate, its about whether you are going to be able to make a life for youself or for your future children. its about being American and obeying our laws. The guy seemed to not have a clue as the protocol of life and how you start small but one day you will make a better living. But with todays immigration problem senoirity doesn't mean much unless you work for a big corporation in a specialized field, everyone is replaceable for a cheaper worker. If there isn't one locally, they will import one, hows that make you feel? He just looked like his world was hopeless, like there isn't an answer. And this is what our children are facing. Remember around 2000, it seemed all the sudden the MSM and College educators started pushing this attitude that our kids should go to school, party and have fun until they are 23 or 25 years old? And it took hold, as the college kids stayed kids, the illegals came in and took those jobs that the college kids used to do, now that many college kids are seeing college isn't paying off with a better job they cannot find the job they once could get, because the illegals have taken them. As a matter of fact it does seem every other news story is a foreigner writing it. Must be part of the media's way of getting reporters who are biased about legal/illegal immigration to report the way they see it/or don't see it.

This story is also on Fark.com in the politics section.

The fark headline is;

It would cripple our economy if business leaders had to start paying illegal aliens a market wage

This is a link to the comments. Fark comments are like no other comments, anywhere. At least that I've found. They can also be interesting because of the diversity of the people commenting or debating. Mostly people their are just pulling each others funny bone chain.

http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comm...IDLink=3615156



P.S. The original article has a comment section.

Mine;

We have a bilingual economy.

There is a theirs and an ours.

Every time ours loses a dollar theirs gains one.



P.S.P.S. Wow the story in the fark link is a little different. Same title and same paper but the fark one runs longer. I smell a conspiracy!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5789885.html

There will be no huge loss of immigrants. Immigrants will continue to be welcome.

Illegal aliens are NOT welcome and must leave. Let's deport them all and see what happens, hmmm?

Here is the authors 4:11 version of the same story.



May 19, 2008, 4:11PM

Study: Loss of illegal immigrants would cripple economy

By JENALIA MORENO
Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle

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Eliminating illegal immigrants would cripple the national economy, according to a study backed by Houston business leaders.

Kicking the 8.1 million undocumented immigrants who work as bus boys, landscapers and other jobs out of the country would cost nearly $1.8 trillion in annual spending, the study by the Perryman Group said.

Texas would be the second-hardest hit state after California if the state's 1.2 million undocumented workers disappeared, the study said, removing $220.7 billion in spending within the Lone Star State.

The study was released Monday by the Americans for Immigration Reform, a group spearheaded by the Greater Houston Partnership.

The group hopes to convince politicians and the public that the nation's immigration laws must be changed. It plans to raise $12 million by December to campaign for immigration reform and so far has raised about 10 percent of that goal in pledges.

Local business leaders want an immigration reform plan that would give employers a way to hire immigrants legally.

"We need comprehensive reform that looks at our needs and addresses those needs," said Ray Perryman, president of Waco-based Perryman Group.

Perryman said that many with the nation's baby boomers retiring and a low unemployment rate, undocumented immigrants perform the jobs other American workers could not.

Although Congress has not passed an immigration reform bill, Americans continue to debate the issue.

Groups like the Washington, D.C.-based Federation for American Immigration Reform support restricting immigration and disagree with the argument that Americans won't do the jobs immigrants do.

"In many cases, there were people doing the jobs before the illegal immigrants showed up," said Ira Mehlman, national media director for the federation. "In many cases, these are just subsidized jobs because the employer can get away with whatever he's paying."

A 2007 report by that organization indicate said the costs of education health care and incarceration of undocumented immigrants in six states including Texas exceeds $27 billion annually.

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5789885.html

The study was released Monday by the Americans for Immigration Reform, a group spearheaded by the Greater Houston Partnership.

I'm sure that's a reliable study. Maybe, the whole country should use it.

Americans for Immigration Reform....hahahahah! This is the same group that help the very small protest against the Houston Livestock and Rodeo because they claimed the music didn't truly represent Mexicans. I am sure they are qualified to do research. The Greater Houston Partnership is a partnership of the Chamber of Commerce. Do I smell a rat here?

Typical Houston Chronicle article. Funny how there is NO reference as to where this study can be found. Americans for Immigration Reform don't have a web site and The Greater Houston Partnership doesn't mention anything about it on their web site.

It plans to raise $12 million by December to campaign for immigration reform and so far has raised about 10 percent of that goal in pledges

I'll bet if they campaigned for illegal deportation, they'd quadruple that amount by June !

A study sponsored by an Elitist Special Interest Group supports the same Elitist Special Interest Group’s AGENDA! This is really hard hitting NEWS?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hea ... 90992.html

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May 19, 2008, 10:40PM
Price put at $1.8 trillion
Study: That's what U.S. would lose if undocumented immigrants vanished


By JENALIA MORENO
Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle

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The impact of illegal immigration on the U.S. economy.
• 8.1 million: illegal immigrants

• $1.8 trillion: annual spending, U.S.

• $220.7 billion: annual spending, Texas

• $652 billion : annual contribution to U.S. GDP

• $27 billion or more: * the costs of education, health care and incarceration in six states, including Texas

Sources: The Perryman Group;

*Federation for American Immigration Reform
If the 8.1 million undocumented immigrants who cut lawns, bus tables and perform other jobs disappeared overnight, the nation's economy would lose nearly $1.8 trillion in annual spending.

Texas, the second-hardest-hit state after California, would lose 1.2 million undocumented workers and $220.7 billion in expenditures.

These are just some of the findings from a study done by the Perryman Group, a Waco-based economic analysis firm, whose work was commissioned by Americans for Immigration Reform, a group spearheaded by the Greater Houston Partnership.

Houston's business community is trying to revive the politically charged immigration reform debate that has stalled in Congress. It plans to raise $12 million by December to fund a campaign for reform and thus far it says it has raised about 10 percent of that goal in pledges.

The government has recently increased enforcement, with raids at work sites and plans to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. But getting rid of all undocumented immigrants would hurt, not help the economy, Charles Foster, an immigration attorney and chairman of Americans for Immigration Reform, said Monday.

"If you do that, you would have serious economic upset," Foster said.

He said immigration reform needs to give employers a method of hiring immigrants legally.

"We need comprehensive reform that looks at our needs and addresses those needs," said Ray Perryman, president of the Perryman Group, which examined data for 500 sectors of the economy, Census Bureau surveys and other data to arrive at its conclusions.


Doing the work, or not
Perryman said that with many of the nation's baby boomers retiring and the nation experiencing a low unemployment rate, undocumented immigrants are performing the jobs other American workers could not.

Groups like the Washington, D.C.-based Federation for American Immigration Reform, however, disagree.

They contend that Americans would do those jobs and that undocumented workers drive down wages.


'Subsidized jobs'
"In many cases, there were people doing the jobs before the illegal immigrants showed up," said Ira Mehlman, national media director for the federation. "In many cases, these are just subsidized jobs because the employer can get away with whatever he's paying. A lot of these studies begin with the presumption that the jobs would not be getting done if not for the illegal immigrants."

A 2007 report by the federation said the costs of education, health care and incarceration of undocumented immigrants in six states, including Texas, exceeds $27 billion annually.

jenalia.moreno@chron.com