Thread: Trump Calls for 'Complete Shutdown' of Muslims Entering the U.S.

YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES! Mr. Trump needs to stand firmly, and unwavering, with his public and bold assessment of what our Nation is facing with Islam, and he can start demanding that our country strictly adhere to our immigration laws beginning with U.S. Public Law 414 passed 6/27/1952 a.k.a. the McCarran-Walter Act, Chapter 2, Section 212. Among the many issues it covers, one in particular, found in Chapter 2 Section 212, is the prohibition of entry to the U.S. if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by "force, violence, or other unconstitutional means." Per another poster: Islamic immigration to the U.S. would be prohibited under this law because the Koran, Sharia Law and the Hadith all require complete submission to Islam, which is antithetical to the U.S. government, the Constitution, and to the Republic. All Muslims who attest that the Koran is their life's guiding principal subscribe to submission to Islam and its form of government. Now the political correct crowd would say that Islamists cannot be prohibited from entering the U.S. because Islam is a religion. Whether it is a religion is immaterial because the law states that Aliens who are affiliated with any "organization" that advocates the overthrow of our government are prohibited." May God Bless and keep Mr. Trump, his family, and those under his employ safe.
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6:57 PM

We should pause ALL immigration, not just for muslims. So while I agree with Trump, I feel like he needs to double down and call for a broader moratorium.

It's just completely out of control and unsustainable at this point. With a pause, we can thin the illegals through attrition, expire visas, build that wall and the enabler dragnet, and get to the bottom of the treachery. Enough is enough...

Originally Posted by kal60

YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES! Mr. Trump needs to stand firmly, and unwavering, with his public and bold assessment of what our Nation is facing with Islam, and he can start demanding that our country strictly adhere to our immigration laws beginning with U.S. Public Law 414 passed 6/27/1952 a.k.a. the McCarran-Walter Act, Chapter 2, Section 212. Among the many issues it covers, one in particular, found in Chapter 2 Section 212, is the prohibition of entry to the U.S. if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by "force, violence, or other unconstitutional means." Per another poster: Islamic immigration to the U.S. would be prohibited under this law because the Koran, Sharia Law and the Hadith all require complete submission to Islam, which is antithetical to the U.S. government, the Constitution, and to the Republic. All Muslims who attest that the Koran is their life's guiding principal subscribe to submission to Islam and its form of government. Now the political correct crowd would say that Islamists cannot be prohibited from entering the U.S. because Islam is a religion. Whether it is a religion is immaterial because the law states that Aliens who are affiliated with any "organization" that advocates the overthrow of our government are prohibited." May God Bless and keep Mr. Trump, his family, and those under his employ safe.
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6:57 PM

Thank you so much for this information, kal60!

And welcome to ALIPAC!!

Originally Posted by synaptic

We should pause ALL immigration, not just for muslims. So while I agree with Trump, I feel like he needs to double down and call for a broader moratorium.

It's just completely out of control and unsustainable at this point. With a pause, we can thin the illegals through attrition, expire visas, build that wall and the enabler dragnet, and get to the bottom of the treachery. Enough is enough...

YES YES YES!! A 10 to 20 Year Moratorium on All Immigration. Right here, right now. Come on Trump! Take the next step and call for it all to end, and end now.

Thank you, synaptic! And welcome to ALIPAC!!

I absolutely agree with Donald Trump. It's time we started looking out for number one in this country instead of kissing the arse of those who hate us. Stop letting them in.

I think that this idea goes a bit too far; BUT we definitely need to do something better in the way of screening.

Originally Posted by SCRichard

I think that this idea goes a bit too far; BUT we definitely need to do something better in the way of screening.

One of the points made tonight about the statement and official position is in the context of immigration. His spokesman, Katrina Peterson, said his statement is about immigrants.

December 07, 2015 -
​Donald J. Trump Statement on Preventing Muslim Immigration

(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing "25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad" and 51% of those polled, "agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah." Shariah authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won't convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women.

Mr. Trump stated, "Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again." - Donald J. Trump

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-r...im-immigration

I don't think that really is going too far.

Immigration of US Muslims to Swell to 6.2 Million

Julia Hahn July 16, 2015

The Associated Press and NBC are now reporting that Tennessee gunman Muhammed Youssef Abdulazees was an immigrant from the Muslim nation of Kuwait.

According to U.S. Census Data, the United States admits roughly 100,000 Muslim immigrants legally each year, representing the fastest growing block of immigration into the United States. Tennessee, in fact, is home to one of the fastest growing immigrant populations in the country, causing the President to give a recent speech there in favor of expansive immigration. The Mayor of Nashville has launched a New American Advisory Council to help facilitate the legally-sanctioned transition from the previous inhabitants of Nashville to the new ones.

Both of Tennessee’s Senators, Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) and Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN), helped pass the Senate’s Gang of Eight bill which would have tripled the number of green cards issued over the next ten years.

Unlike illegal immigrants, legal immigrants invited into the United States with green cards are granted automatic work permits, welfare access, and the ability to become voting citizens.

Pew Research has estimated that immigration will cause the population of U.S. Muslims to more than double over the next two decades—from 2.6 million in 2010 to 6.2 million in 2030. This demographic change is entirely the product of legal admissions–that is, it is a formal policy of the federal government adopted by Congress.

Another major source of Middle Eastern immigration into the United States is done through our nation’s refugee program. Every year the United Stated admits 70,000 asylees and refugees. Arabic is the most common language spoken by refugees, and 91.4 percent of refugees from the Middle East are on food stamps.

The importation of Middle Eastern immigrants through the nation’s refugee program has led to the development of pockets of radicalized communities throughout the United States.

Minnesota, for instance, which has the largest Somali population in the country, has struggled to stem terror recruiting. The Minneapolis Star Tribune recently reported that six men from Minnesota were arrested and charged attempting to fight alongside ISIS. During the last two years alone, more than 20 Somali-Americans from Minnesota have left the U.S. to fight alongside terrorists under the banner of ISIL.

Similarly, as National Review has reported, “Dearborn, Michigan is home to just under 100,000 people, about 40 percent of whom are Muslim. In 2013, a leaked government document revealed that more people from Dearborn were on the federal terrorist watch list than from any other city except New York.”

The head of the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services Union, Kenneth Palinkas, recently warned about this very issue: “It is also essential to warn the public about the threat that ISIS will exploit our loose and lax visa policies to gain entry to the United States. Indeed, as we know from the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993, from the 9/11 terrorist attacks, from the Boston Bombing, from the recent plot to bomb a school and courthouse in Connecticut, and many other lesser-known terror incidents, we are letting terrorists into the United States right through our front door.”

He listed a number of terror attacks in which the attackers were immigrants voluntarily imported into the United States, including the Boston Marathon Bombing. None of these attacks would have occurred but for immigration sanctioned by the federal government.

News reports show that this is similarly emerging as a problem in Florida. A recent piece in The Tampa Tribune reveals that Florida now leads the nation as the number one state resettling refugees.

As one Floridian community liaison manager with Refugee Services estimated for The Tampa Tribune, Florida settles 27,000 refugees, on average, per year.

According to the federal government, Florida resettled 43,184 refugees in 2013.

While most of these refugees settling in Florida arrive from Cuba, many arrive from Middle Eastern countries. According to the U.S. Office of Refugee Resettlement, the next largest countries to resettle in Florida after Cuba are (in order) Iraq, Myanmar (Burma), the Democratic Republic of Congo, Sudan, Somalia, Colombia, Afghanistan, Jordan, Pakistan, Syria, and Palestine.

The Tampa Tribune reports that many of these Muslim refugees are carving out their own Muslim communities within Florida (similar to what refugees have done in Dearborn and Minneapolis): “Many of the refugees finding homes in the Tampa Bay area are Muslim because the region has an established Muslim community.”

The Tampa Tribune also notes that most of these refugees, precisely because they are invited in legally by our government, will go on to seek citizenship. Tampa immigration lawyer B. John Ovink told The Tampa Tribune, “Citizenship is straightforward. Once they enter as refugees or are granted asylum, they apply for permanent residency, the proof of which is a green card. It’s pretty automatic unless something changes in their country of origin and they are forced to go back. But I haven’t seen that happen in the 22 years I’ve been practicing law.”

On the heels of these developments, two Republican Senators–Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA) and Dan Coats (R-IN)–have announced plans to substantially increase immigration from countries with large Muslim populations as a condition of a new highway bill. They are proposing to attach “highly-skilled” immigration bills from last Congress, which would expand the number of STEM workers (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics)–large numbers of whom come from countries with large Muslim populations like Pakistan, India and Saudi Arabia. The Tennessee killer was himself an engineering student.

Similarly, presidential contender Senator Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) has also introduced immigration legislation that would substantially increase opportunities for Muslim immigration by creating an uncapped green card program for foreign students specializing in STEM fields while tripling the number of H-1B visas. One of the fastest growing groups of foreign students are from Saudi Arabia, helping propel the foreign student population to an all-time high.

Senator Rubio’s statement on the terrorist attack in Tennessee did not mention anything about Islam.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...o-6-2-million/

Originally Posted by Judy

Yes I agree with Donald J Trump, he is not doing this to be mean or discriminating against Muslims. He is doing this to protect the American People, and that is what a leader who cares about their own citizens is supposed to do.

And what about Muslims from Jordan or Egypt who want to come here? How much do you think those countries will want to help us in the fight against ISIS if we slam the door on their people because of their religion? This is one of Trump's typical oversimplified solutions to a complicated problem, and you people who are going overboard for him should really think about what he is actually calling for before you jump on his bandwagon.

Originally Posted by LAPhil

And what about Muslims from Jordan or Egypt who want to come here? How much do you think those countries will want to help us in the fight against ISIS if we slam the door on their people because of their religion? This is one of Trump's typical oversimplified solutions to a complicated problem, and you people who are going overboard for him should really think about what he is actually calling for before you jump on his bandwagon.

ISIS is not our problem, it's their problem. It's not them helping US, it's US helping them. ISIS only becomes our problem when we allow ISIS followers to enter the United States. We solve our problem by shutting down Muslim immigration as Trump proposes in his press release until we have a proper vetting process. Rand Paul just introduced an Amendment to the ObamaCare bill that required the same thing and Ted Cruz, Jeff Sessions, Richard Shelby, Mitch McConnell, Mark Kirk, Rand Paul and 4 other Republicans voted for it.

I support shutting down all immigration for at least 10 to 20 years, so I have no problem with starting with Muslim immigration.

The only reason this is a big deal today when it wasn't yesterday when the US Senate voted on just such a measure is because Donald Trump said it, which is why he said it, to get this issue front and center where it should have been yesterday when the US Senate voted on the Paul Amendment and it failed. It should have passed, but there was no significant media coverage of it and not enough Americans knew about it to lobby for it.

As for Jordanians and Egyptians who want to come here? So what? We have no room for them or anyone else. Our inns are full, our pot is boiling over, we don't have jobs for them without taking them away from Americans, we don't have any money for welfare which the vast majority sign up for when they get here, we can't afford them, we don't want them and we don't need them, not from Jordan, Egyp,r Mexico, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Ireland, England, Australia, Canada or from anywhere else.

My opinion of the situation is that we need a 10 to 20 year Moratorium on All Immigration, so what he's calling for is 100% fine with me, it's just not enough. We need a long-term Moratorium on All Immigration not just Muslim Immigration, all of it, to give us time to sort out this despicable disaster, deport illegal aliens, get Americans back to work, get American wages back up to a sustainable level, reduce this outrageous poverty level and the incredible cost of supporting people who can't support themselves, balance our federal budget, and pay down this outrageous national debt.

We have far bigger problems in this country than worrying about the religious sensitivities and "dreams" of people in other countries.