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    Trump cuts deal with Democrats on DACA Amnesty for illegal aliens!

    Trump breaks with Republicans on debt ceiling deal

    Trump breaks with Republicans on debt ceiling deal

    Evan Vucci / AP


    President Trump backed the Democratic plan to combine Harvey relief funding with extending the debt limit and funding the government, both for three months, after a meeting with congressional leaders from both parties. The Republicans in the meeting opposed that plan.
    A Republican close to leadership: "Dems bluffed their way into total victory. They win the politics of DACA and leverage on debt in the winter. The fate is sealed - DACA will be reauthorized without strings, Schumer has inserted himself into all negotiations in the winter, including tax, spending and immigration."
    Latest: Mitch McConnell says he supports the plan, and will attach the continuing resolution and debt ceiling raise to the Harvey bill as an amendment.
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    • Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer announced the news in a joint statement after meeting. Trump confirmed it later.
    • According to a source briefed on the meeting with POTUS, "McConnell, Ryan, McCarthy, and Mnuchin all advocated for a longer debt limit. Basically everyone with an R behind their name."
    • Mnuchin argued against the plan in the meeting, but was overruled.
    • Paul Ryan said earlier today that a short-term debt ceiling extension was a "ridiculous" and "disgraceful" plan, and "playing politics" with an important issue.
    • Trump agreed with Schumer and Pelosi on the debt limit issue, while McConnell wanted a continuing resolution to be a part of that package, according to a person familiar with the debate.
    • Word of warning: There's a tentative deal, but it still has to pass Congress.

    From Trump

    "We had a very good meeting with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer [Trump notably did not mention Ryan or McConnnell]. We agreed to a three-month extension on debt ceiling, which they consider to be sacred, very important, always we'll agree on debt ceiling automatically because of the importance of it. Also on the CRs and also on Harvey, which now we're going to be adding something because of what's going on in Florida, but we had a very good meeting. We essentially came to a deal, and I think the deal will be very good."
    From Pelosi and Schumer

    "In the meeting, the President and Congressional leadership agreed to pass aid for Harvey, an extension of the debt limit, and a continuing resolution both to December 15, all together. Both sides have every intention of avoiding default in December and look forward to working together on the many issues before us. As Democratic leaders, we also made it clear that we strongly believe the DREAM Act must come to the floor and pass as soon as possible and we will not rest until we get this done."

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    DACA was not part of this deal. That's Schumer trying to insinuate it was, it wasn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    DACA was not part of this deal. That's Schumer trying to insinuate it was, it wasn't.
    It's not just Schumer, it is a Republican source as well saying....

    A Republican close to leadership: "Dems bluffed their way into total victory. They win the politics of DACA and leverage on debt in the winter. The fate is sealed - DACA will be reauthorized without strings, Schumer has inserted himself into all negotiations in the winter, including tax, spending and immigration."
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    It's two separate issues. There was no deal on DACA in that meeting. Dems control the immigration debate across the board because they have control of the Senate because of McCain and Graham. That doesn't mean they can pass a bill. Senate was always going to support any amnesty, we stop amnesty in the US House of Representatives and Schumer doesn't control squat there.
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    "Without strings" ...so not even anything in return: no E-Verify, No RAISE Act, not even wall funding? If this is true, it's the ultimate cave and flip flop.

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    Right, no DACA strings. It's just about funding Harvey, spending and the debt limit. This was the right thing for Republicans, because now they can focus on tax cuts. That's why Trump did this. He's not making the same mistake he did on Obamacare repeal. He thought he had the votes but 3 Republicans betrayed him, Collins, Murkowski and McCain. He's not going to take that chance on the tax cuts, he's lining up the chess men right now, that's why he's in North Dakota. He's not risking philosophical debates over spending and debt ceilings in the middle of an economy that must have corporate and business tax cuts that put Americans back to work at good jobs in industries, he's not taking any more chances with people voting ideologies over the welfare of American Workers. Yes, I know the DACA anomaly is off the track, but there's some strategic reason he's doing that, right or wrong, we just don't know what it is yet. Hope we find out soon.
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    Judy, I've been telling you for months that Trump wanted to pass a DACA amnesty, but you've denied it every step of the way and you're still denying it ... sort of. Wow, just unbelievable. The writing is on the wall and it is crystal clear. Futhermore, there is nothing "strategic" about it! The man is an amnesty supporter, pure and simple. Many of the signs, although subtle, were visible during his campaign, most just chose to ignore them and hope for the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    DACA was not part of this deal. That's Schumer trying to insinuate it was, it wasn't.
    You weren't there, were you? You, I, or anyone else that wasn't sitting in that room really knows what was said or promised. The whole meeting sounds like it was pretty much controlled by Schumer and Pelosi. IMO, Trump is ready to accept anything that he feels will give him good press and a 'mission accomplished' check. He's tired of losing every battle in the U.S. Congress.

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    Well, MW, you've actually been saying a lot of things for the past several months. For example you said Trump wasn't going to end DACA, but he has ended it. You've said that even if he did end it, which he now has, he was still a liar and a dishonorable person who betrayed the American People because he broke his promise to end DACA 2012 day one. You've gone so far as to say that even if he ended DACA, which he now has, you weren't going to vote for him again anyway because you believe he broke a promise he made to you by not ending DACA day one. So, he had nothing to gain by meeting your demands. You were gone, probably because you weren't really there to begin with, you're someone who voted for him because he won the primary so you held your nose and voted for the "narcissist" instead of Crooked Hillary or the Pot Smoker, Gary Johnson.

    There are very few absolutes in life, and even fewer in politics. For example, Trump expected Obamacare and the Tax Cuts to be behind US by now and be well on our way to an infrastructure bill. Many of his Trump Supporters expected jobs to be in hand by now from those developments but they are still waiting because Republicans in Congress couldn't deliver. So with the DACA decision made, the end announced, Trump is on a roll to find a different way to get other things done.

    Maybe this plug for DACA Amnesty, whether genuine or not, is part of his strategy to end the deadlocks he ran into on Obamacare to gain more ground on other legislation like the tax cuts and infrastructure, because it sets up another drama if a bill is ever produced which I find unlikely, but still possible, over his ability to veto the bill as leverage for something else. I just don't know, but this I know, he's got something up his sleeve. Whatever it is, right or wrong, good or bad, in my opinion he just needs to shut up about DACA at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    You weren't there, were you? You, I, or anyone else that wasn't sitting in that room really knows what was said or promised. The whole meeting sounds like it was pretty much controlled by Schumer and Pelosi. IMO, Trump is ready to accept anything that he feels will give him good press and a 'mission accomplished' check. He's tired of losing every battle in the U.S. Congress.
    DACA is not part of the deal. There is no DACA legislation that's part of this Continuing Resolution. I don't have to be there. The documents will be public records. There is no DACA amnesty that is part of the Continuing Resolution on Harvey Relief, spending and the debt ceiling. That's just a fact. I'm thrilled he made this deal. I'm sick and tired of Republicans always wanting to shut down our government. I didn't even like Trump's threat to shut down the government over wall funding.
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