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    Trump Hits Some Immigrants In U.S. Illegally With Fines Up To $500,000

    Trump Administration Hits Some Immigrants In U.S. Illegally With Fines Up To $500,000

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    July 2, 20192:36 PM ET
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    A youth in Tijuana, Mexico, stands by the border fence that separates Mexico from the United States, where candles and crosses stand in memory of migrants who have died during their journey toward the U.S.


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    The Trump administration is seeking to fine some immigrants, who are in the United States illegally, hundreds of thousands of dollars for failing to take steps to leave after being ordered to do so, according to government documents obtained by NPR.

    The Department of Homeland Security sent out a batch of notices across the country to targeted individuals ordering them to pay fines of up to nearly $500,000 for "failing to depart the U.S. as previously agreed," among other factors.

    It's the latest hard-line effort by the administration as it clamps down on illegal immigration at the border and increases interior enforcement.

    "It is the intention of ICE to order you pay a fine in the amount of $497,777," Lisa Hoechst, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officer, wrote to Edith Espinal Moreno in a letter dated June 25, 2019, obtained by NPR from lawyers for Moreno.

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    The letters come as the Trump administration prepares to carry out delayed immigration sweeps of migrant families who have received deportation orders. President Trump said Monday, while signing legislation providing $4.6 billion in funding to address the influx of migrants from Central America, that the immigration raids will begin after the July 4 holiday unless Congress can pass new restrictions on asylum laws.

    At the beginning of his term, Trump signed an executive order promising, "as soon as practicable, and by no later than one year after the date of this order," that the administration would begin collection of "all fines and penalties that the Secretary is authorized under the law to assess and collect from aliens unlawfully present in the United States."

    ICE said the Immigration and Nationality Act grants the agency the right to impose "civil fines on aliens who have been ordered removed or granted voluntary departure and fail to depart the United States."

    It states fines of no more than $500 for each day the person is in violation of this section. But immigration lawyers say they've never heard of it used in this manner.


    An ICE official said undocumented immigrants who willfully refuse to meet the obligations of an order issued by the Justice Department's Executive Office for Immigration Review may receive a "Notice of Intention to Fine" and then are subsequently provided a 30-day period to respond before a formal decision whether to issue a fine is made.


    ICE officials said the agency began issuing these notices in December 2018 on a case-by-case basis, taking into account steps the individual has taken to fulfill the court's orders.

    "ICE is committed to using various enforcement methods — including arrest, detention, technological monitoring and financial penalties — to enforce U.S. immigration law and maintain the integrity of legal orders issued by judges," ICE spokesman Matthew Bourke told NPR.

    Pro-immigrant advocates argue the Trump administration is trying to instill fear and confusion in immigrant communities, expecting the immigrants will leave. They report similar letters being received by immigrants in similar situations in North Carolina, Utah, Virginia and Texas.


    Espinal, 42, said she could not believe the U.S. government thought she would have almost half a million dollars. She has been living in sanctuary at an Ohio church since an immigration judge ordered her removed two years ago. The church, its congregation and the community have largely supported her and her family.


    "They want to scare me," Espinal said, adding, "because they know I am in sanctuary. And they know I don't have this amount of money."


    Espinal said she came to the United States from Mexico with her father when she was 16. She now has three children of her own, including two who are U.S. citizens.

    She said her whole life is in the United States and she cannot return to Mexico.


    Leon Fresco, who served as deputy assistant attorney general for the Office of Immigration Litigation in the Obama administration, said he could not recall a time when such high fines were used during the previous administration.


    "It's a vivid illustration of the lengths the Trump administration will go to use any available authority to try to enforce immigration law," Fresco said. "I have not seen a $300,000 fine for failing to facilitate one's own removal."


    Espinal's attorney, Lizbeth Mateo, said she started laughing when she first saw the letter. She fears
    the administration is laying the groundwork for criminal penalties and could use fees in other ways to increase pressure on immigrants to leave.

    "It's almost half a million dollars. Are they for real? Do they really think that she's going to pay this?" Mateo said.

    "I laughed, because there has to be someone in some basement in D.C. thinking, 'Oh, what else can I do to mess with immigrants? What else can I do to hurt them?' "

    https://www.npr.org/2019/07/02/738059913/trump-administration-sends-out-notices-of-500-000-fines-for-those-in-u-s-illegal

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    Questions for the media to ask (Added 7/5/19) JD2
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    What happens if they don't pay it?


    What happens if they pay it?

    Do they get a greencard?

    A Social Security Card?

    Driver's License?

    Health Care?

    Welfare?

    Citizenship?

    Voter ID Card?

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    Am I reading this correctly? Trump is actually doing something about this mess? After some of the stuff I read on here today, I'm actually starting to have a glimmer of hope.
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    Fine them, cut off the freebies including school and healthcare, and FORCE them to leave!

    Go after the employers full force!!!
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    STAY HOME AND BUILD AMERICA ON YOUR SOIL

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    "Trump Administration Hits Some Immigrants In U.S. Illegally With Fines Up To $500,000"

    They didn't collect any money.

    They just sent them letters that says they owe the money.
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    Discusting FRAUD!!!!! Why waste the postage on the letter? Like any of them will pay the fine? GetREAL!!!!! DEPORT 10,000-12,000 CARAVAN INVADERS WITH SCREAMING AND CRYING CHILDREN on the MSM NOW!!!!! 2 WEEKS IS UP!!!!! TIME FOR ACTION AND REACTION NATIONWIDE!!!!! GREAT PROTEST AND RIOT WEATHER is upon us in July. Start the party please!!!!!
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    "ICE officials said the agency began issuing these notices in December 2018"

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    Will they ever collect $1 of it?
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    Questions for the media to ask Trump.
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    What happens if they don't pay it?

    What happens if they pay it?


    Do they get a greencard?

    A Social Security Card?

    Driver's License?

    Health Care?

    Welfare?

    Citizenship?

    Voter ID Card?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    Questions for the media to ask Trump.
    -----------------------------

    What happens if they don't pay it?

    What happens if they pay it?


    Do they get a greencard?

    A Social Security Card?

    Driver's License?

    Health Care?

    Welfare?

    Citizenship?

    Voter ID Card?

    Excellent question because what good does paying a fine do if they are still allowed to stay here? The only response to illegal alien status is deportation. Does fining them mean we look the other way if they do pay the fine? For example, once you pay a fine the crime is normally considered atoned for. For course as we all know, that would be considered an amnesty.

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