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    Trump Forfeits Valuable Immigration Bargaining Chip

    President tells DREAMers to 'rest easy,' cedes opportunity to use DACA for leverage

    by Kathryn Blackhurst | Updated 22 Apr 2017 at 5:08 PM

    When President Donald Trump told the Associated Press Friday that illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. as children should “rest easy,” he took yet another step back from the hardline immigration stance he offered on the campaign trail. More importantly, he gave up a potentially powerful piece of negotiating leverage.

    Trump reassured the AP that his administration is “not after the DREAMers, we are after the criminals,” adding, “that is our policy.” The president said, DREAMers should “rest easy,” indicating he will not reverse President Barack Obama’s executive amnesty, known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA. (The DREAM Act stands for Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors.)

    The president’s suggestion that DACA is not being considered for elimination came as the media and many liberals continued to spout outrage over the deportation of 23-year-old DREAMer Juan Manuel Montes. Trump said the circumstances in Montes’ case were “a little different” from a traditional DACA, but declined to elaborate further. Montes filed a lawsuit Tuesday, although the Department of Homeland Security insists that Montes violated the terms of DACA by leaving the U.S. on his own prior to returning.

    The admission that DACA is to remain in place, at least for now, conflicts dramatically with direct campaign promises Trump made during the 2016 election.

    “It was front and center in his campaign,” Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) told Politico about DACA several days into Trump’s presidency.

    “Donald Trump got a lot of votes — probably got the Republican nomination in large part — because he said he was going to be aggressive in defending our borders,” Brooks continued. “One of the low-lying fruits is repealing, by executive order, the amnesty executive orders of Barack Obama, and he hasn’t done it yet.”

    When Trump announced his presidential bid on June 16, 2015, he made waves by declaring that he would “immediately terminate President Obama’s illegal executive order on immigration” upon assuming the presidential mantle.

    Just a few months later, on August 16, 2015, Trump gave an interview with NBC News’ “Meet the Press” host Chuck Todd in which they touched on Trump’s hardline DACA stance and deportation. When Todd asked Trump if he would really “rescind the DREAM Act executive order, DACA,” Trump responded, “We have to.”

    “We have to make a whole new set of standards,” Trump insisted.

    When Todd pressed him about deporting children and splitting up families, Trump unequivocally said, “We’re going to keep the families together. We have to keep the families together … But they have to go.”

    “We will work with them. They have to go,” Trump continued. “Chuck, we either have a country or we don’t have a country. Either we have a country or not … We will do it and we will expedite it so people can come back in.

    “It will work out so well, you will be so happy, in four years you’re going to be interviewing me and you’re going to say, what a great job you’ve done, President Trump,” Trump concluded.

    Over a year later on August 31, 2016, Trump reaffirmed his commitment to eliminating Obama’s executive orders on immigration, DACA, and Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA). DAPA remains blocked by a federal court in Texas.

    “We will immediately terminate President Obama’s two illegal executive amnesties, in which he defied federal law and the constitution to give amnesty to approximately 5 million illegal immigrants,” Trump said.

    Trump’s interview Friday with the AP capped what has been a steady softening since the campaign on the issue of DACA.

    Trump’s interview for Time Magazine as its “Person of the Year” on Dec. 8, 2016, showed him expressing more sympathy for the plight of DREAMers when he said, “We’re going to work something out that’s going to make people happy and proud. They got brought here at a very young age, they’ve worked here, they’ve gone to school here. Some were good students. Some have wonderful jobs. And they’re in never-never land because they don’t know what’s going to happen.”

    Just two days prior to his inauguration, Trump told “Fox & Friends” that he was approaching the situation with “a lot of heart.”

    “It’s a plan that’s going to be very firm, but it’s going to be a lot of heart. And we’re going to be looking into that situation,” Trump said. “That’s a very tough situation, but I think they’re going to end up being very happy. We’re going to have great people coming into our country, people that love our country.”

    During a press conference as president on Feb. 16, Trump admitted that "DACA is a very, very difficult subject for me."

    "The DACA situation is a very difficult thing for me as I love these kids, I love kids, I have kids and grandkids, and I find it very, very hard doing what the law says exactly to do and, you know, the law is rough. It's rough, very, very rough," Trump conceded.

    And just prior to his first speech to a Joint Session of Congress on Feb. 28, Trump responded to a question from George Stephanopoulos and indicated that he was open to giving DREAMers a path to citizenship.

    During one of White House press secretary Sean Spicer's early press briefings, he admitted that Trump's deportation "priority is, first and foremost, people who pose a threat to people in our country, to criminals, frankly."

    "I think he's continuing to make sure his Cabinet-level team starts to organize and create a plan to move forward with respect to that issue, and that's where we are right now," Spicer added concerning the fate of DACA.

    The reversal on such a specific campaign pledge risks alienating immigration hardliners who enthusiastically backed Trump's campaign, but it also surrenders a potentially valuable bargaining chip. Abandoning the elimination of DACA could have been traded in exchange for more moderate Republican support on Capitol Hill for border security measures, like funding for a wall, or tough immigration measures such as crackdowns on sanctuary cities.

    "This was one promise I thought he would keep," Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, had told Politico in January. "There was no wiggle room."

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    "This was one promise I thought he would keep," Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, had told Politico in January. "There was no wiggle room."
    So you should be happy if not thrilled that he's keeping his promise to end catch and release, sanctuary cities, build the wall, deport illegal aliens who have broken the law, violated their immigration documents, committed welfare fraud, over-stayed a visa or pose a threat to public safety, and increase Border Patrol Agents, ICE Agents and Immigration Judges. I thought those were pretty important promises and I for one am really happy he's keeping them. I also believe he'll deport alot of DACA's because many of them despite their DACA status fall into the realm of his priority targets.
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    OK, everybody I will hold my fire until after the current DACA expires in June, but I want an end to that despicable screw Americans program--soon. Every damn last illegal alien must GO HOME, no compromises, no excuses.

    Here is an important point with the "hardship" excuse used to give amnesty. You can make exceptions to the law on the grounds of compassion because of hardship in only a tiny few cases, maybe a thousand among a million. Congress should pass a law stating an exact tiny number and demand the courts adhere to those limits. It has been done on a state level with mandatory sentencing for crimes.

    If the number of hardship exemptions becomes too high, you have just effectively repealed a great part of the law. And, of course, that is exactly the deceitful little game the progressives have been playing.

    Hardship exemptions must restricted to a tiny few or there is no law. Everybody in the world can tell you a hardship story. Patriots should use this argument on their bleeding hart liberal friends who always tell stories about how cruel it is to reject anybody who wants to get in.

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    Attorney General Jeff Sessions needs to issue an Opinion that the Memo Directive of June 15, 2012 exceeds the authority of USCIS to process deferred action as a prosecutorial discretionary tool because it issues work permits to people ineligible to have them and authorizes unlawful unfair foreign competition with American Workers and American Students as well as creates an illegal burden to US taxpayers.

    Prosecutorial discretion is not the authority to grant permission to continue committing the crime, prosecutorial discretion is simply not prosecuting due to lack of resources. One of the primary reasons for US immigration law is to protect the jobs, wages, taxes and educations of American Workers. So DHS created DACA 2012 is violating the whole purpose of why we have US immigration law to begin with.

    DACA 2012 must be ended by the rules of law it has usurped and breached. To me, this would require action by the US Department of Justice, if not self-corrected by the US Department of Homeland Security that issued the directive and established the program. It erred greatly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Attorney General Jeff Sessions needs to issue an Opinion that the Memo Directive of June 15, 2012 exceeds the authority of USCIS to process deferred action as a prosecutorial discretionary tool because it issues work permits to people ineligible to have them and authorizes unlawful unfair foreign competition with American Workers and American Students as well as creates an illegal burden to US taxpayers.

    Prosecutorial discretion is not the authority to grant permission to continue committing the crime, prosecutorial discretion is simply not prosecuting due to lack of resources. One of the primary reasons for US immigration law is to protect the jobs, wages, taxes and educations of American Workers. So DHS created DACA 2012 is violating the whole purpose of why we have US immigration law to begin with.

    DACA 2012 must be ended by the rules of law it has usurped and breached. To me, this would require action by the US Department of Justice, if not self-corrected by the US Department of Homeland Security that issued the directive and established the program. It erred greatly.
    I hate to say it but Unfortunately AG Sessions serves at the pleasure of the President and with the approval of the U.S. Congress. That basically means he can't go against Trump's wishes on DACA. If he did, he could possibly be standing in the unemployment line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    I hate to say it but Unfortunately AG Sessions serves at the pleasure of the President and with the approval of the U.S. Congress. That basically means he can't go against Trump's wishes on DACA. If he did, he could possibly be standing in the unemployment line.
    Why would that be going against Trump's wishes? Trump wants to end DACA. Trump even wants to deport them all. Right now he just doesn't have enough resources to deport everyone all at once and he said during the campaign every time he was asked or spoke about it, he's going to focus on the criminals, misdemeanor violators, welfare frauds, visa-overstays and other immigration violators to get them out first. That doesn't mean he's not also going to deport DACA's. He's already deported some. But the game plan is to focus on these others with more resources and time devoted to find them, arresting them, deporting them.

    Why do you want to deport DACA's before all these others when DACA's fall into many of those high priority targets anyway and are deportable like all other illegal aliens?

    For me, the work permits are the big issue with DACAs, not pushing them to the front of the line on deportations over MS 13 Gang Members, for example. Your messaging really just makes most people scratch their heads and ask "why pick on the DACAs instead of MS 13 Gang Members"?

    Sean Spicer said on DACA, "the thinking is to just let it expire in June."
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    judy wrote (excerpt):

    Why would that be going against Trump's wishes? Trump wants to end DACA.
    What???? Make up your mind. You keep saying Trump never promised to end DACA, which could imply he doesn't want to end it, yet you now sit there with a straight face and say he wants to end it? Make up your mind. Everyone knows Trump has had a change of "heart" after fooling us into believing he was going to end DACA immediately after being elected. Yep, it was a lie.

    Trump has said DACA is unconstitutional, AG Sessions said it was unconstitutional, and even a U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas said the program was likely unconstitutional. Why would he continue a program that everyone, including himself, knows is unconstitutional? Nope, I'd say he has no desire or intention of doing away with DACA until those in the program are legalized through legislation. As for this Spicer thing "let the program expire in June" .... well you've provided no documented evidence to substantiate such a claim. It'll take much more than Shaun Spicer saying something in passing during a briefing to convince many of us. If the program is due to expire, there should be some documented proof of that fact.

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