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    U. S. Immigration Reform Likely in 2007

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    U.S. Immigration Reform Likely In 2007
    Oxford Analytica 10.18.06, 6:00 AM ET


    Immigration reform legislation has failed to pass this year. Yet the need for comprehensive reform remains acute.

    There is no definitive data on how many undocumented immigrants are present in the U.S. The most reliable estimates assume that there are between 8 million and 12 million families. The scale of these numbers is striking when related to the U.S. labor force. From 1999 to 2005, 4.1 million workers are estimated to have arrived from abroad, or approximately 86% of the net increase in the total number of employed persons over the same period.

    This onward march of immigration poses policy challenges that lawmakers have repeatedly failed to address:

    1. Economic challenges. Employers, native-born workers and immigrant workers have different interests:

    -- Business leaders have cautioned against excessive restrictions on immigrants. Employers seem to be eschewing native-born workers in favor of new immigrant workers.

    -- Labor unions have dropped their historical opposition to immigration, but still fear that cheap immigrant workers displace U.S.-born workers.

    -- President George Bush has sought to address continued high employer demand for immigrant labor, backing a "guest worker" program for temporary migrants.

    2. Political challenges. Immigrants form an increasingly significant interest group in U.S. politics, but the political debate has become increasingly polarized:

    -- Hundreds of thousands of mostly Hispanic immigrants staged demonstrations this spring to protest against new immigration enforcement measures being considered in Congress.

    -- Some House Republicans have called for strict policies to deport new "illegal aliens" and oppose any sort of amnesty for longtime undocumented residents.

    -- Bush, many Democrats and some business-oriented Republicans favor a system of managed migration.

    3. Security challenges. The Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks have transformed immigration into a security issue, with significant policy ramifications:

    -- Security concerns have fueled calls to strengthen the physical barriers against immigrants along the Mexican border, and to impose new registration requirements on immigrants along both the northern and southern frontiers.

    -- Immigration is now a responsibility of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, headed by the assistant secretary who directs the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency. The agency has introduced a voluntary Basic Pilot Employment Verification Program, a federal database through which companies can determine the validity of employees' identification documents.

    -- Employers face increasing scrutiny about their employees' legal status.

    -- The White House has faced intense pressure from some Republicans to toughen immigration laws and deport migrants on the grounds that they constitute a security threat.

    One factor that complicates the immigration debate is that the interests and cleavages associated with the issue do not follow strict partisan lines. Both major parties have significant, historically entrenched, internal divisions over immigration policy:

    1. Republican disunity. The interests and aims of populist Republicans are at odds with employers who depend on low-wage immigrant employees.

    2. Democratic infighting. Historically, trade unions have been hostile to mass immigration. This resistance has declined in the last decade, but union Democrats favor only modest immigration numbers. More liberal and civil-rights-minded Democrats have promoted an open and reform-oriented approach to immigration.

    The failed reform effort this year was designed to overcome the deep divisions on immigration within and between the two parties.

    However, the reform effort stalled for two reasons:

    -- Ideological chasm. The division between lawmakers who opposed any sort of amnesty and those who wished to promote some mechanism for transforming illegal immigrants into legal residents was too great to overcome.

    -- Institutional barriers. Institutionally, the structure of the U.S. legislative process favors inertia over reform. The political system, in effect, gives a veto to sufficiently determined interests.

    Reform has become more difficult, because the Bush presidency has presided over a deeply polarized political system. However, comprehensive immigration reform will re-emerge as a major issue in 2007, due to:

    -- the sheer numbers of illegal immigrants and the cost of maintaining a border security policy to exclude them;

    -- the overwhelming desire, on the part of the business community, for legal clarity and an adequate supply of personnel; and

    -- the political prize of winning the rapidly expanding Hispanic population's electoral support.

    While entrenched interests have blocked progress on immigration, a desire to clarify the legal status of millions of U.S. residents, and the demands of the business community, will give the issue legislative impetus. The next Congress is likely to enact comprehensive immigration reform.
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    God will be the only one who can help us if they do.

    I can no longer stomach the word "comprehensive". Whenever I hear that word now my stomach turns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxford Analytica
    ...the need for comprehensive reform remains acute.
    Wrong, Mr. Analytica. No it does not.
    how many times do I have to tell you reporters?

    Again, for the 10,000th time, What is needed is
    Enforce existing laws
    Deport ALL Illegals, H-1Bs and L-1s
    Prosecute employers who hire illegals
    Fortify the border


    Quote Originally Posted by Oxford Analytica
    .There is no definitive data on how many undocumented immigrants are present in the U.S. The most reliable estimates assume that there are between 8 million and 12 million families.
    Maybe you're right in this estimate; conservatively, if each illegal's average family size is 4, then we're looking at 32 million to 48 million illegals. If each illegal family's size is 5, then we're looking at 40 million to 60 million illegals present on US soil.

    OK, let's pause and run the numbers. Based on the above, let's take a mean/average figure of 46 million illegals present. Let's add to that the approximate 1 million H-1B families (the H-1Bs who forgot to return home), iow 4 million, for a rounded figure of about 50 million illegals.

    46 million illegals from Mexico
    +4 million illegal H-1Bs (assumes average family of 4)
    50 million illegals on US soil.
    300 million US population
    16% of the US population is illegal today.

    However, since illegals' families are larger, we are probably looking at 1 in 5 being illegal here in the US. These kind of figures warms the hearts of Hillary and Kennedy.

    The above does not include the millions of additional H-5B visa holders in the McCain Kennedy amnesty bill.

    Let's take a quick look into the future. If we allow the North American Union to take control, then the entire population of Mexico (you tell me what that figure is) will be free to occupy the former USA.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxford Analytica
    Business leaders have cautioned against excessive restrictions on immigrants. Employers seem to be eschewing native-born workers in favor of new immigrant workers.
    And who are these "Business leaders," Mr. Analytica, Tata of Bangalore, India (our new overlords)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxford Analytica
    Immigrants form an increasingly significant interest group in U.S. politics,...
    Are you talking about legal immigrants, or the illegal aliens who registered to vote during the mob demonstrations? Make up your mind.


    Quote Originally Posted by Oxford Analytica
    Hundreds of thousands of mostly Hispanic immigrants staged demonstrations this spring to protest against new immigration enforcement measures being considered in Congress.
    And this makes you proud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxford Analytica
    Employers face increasing scrutiny about their employees' legal status.
    Not enough, they need to be incarcerated.


    Quote Originally Posted by Oxford Analytica
    The White House has faced intense pressure from some Republicans to toughen immigration laws and deport migrants on the grounds that they constitute a security threat.
    Pressure, or lip service?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxford Analytica
    the political prize of winning the rapidly expanding Hispanic population's electoral support.
    Well, duh! Now that millions of illegals are registered voters, thanks to the mob demonstration registrations. Go talk to Hillary, Mr, Analytica, she's already got their votes locked in.


    Quote Originally Posted by Oxford Analytica
    a desire to clarify the legal status of millions of U.S. residents, and the demands of the business community, will give the issue legislative impetus.
    Did the mental hospital test too many drugs on you today? It isn't "legal status," It's the illegal, outlaw, status of the 40 to 60 million invaders from MEXICO. Perhaps you reporters' whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

    What you, and other reporters need to do, is submit your drafts to the moderators of this website for content review before going to press. I've posted this before.

    What part of "We don't owe our jobs to India" are you unable to understand, Senator?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlm1968
    ...I can no longer stomach the word "comprehensive"....
    Hi dlm1968,

    Well, take some pepto or some compazine 'cause I need to cite the word in a question I've been meaning to ask for a long time.

    Anybody know the difference between
    comprehensive immigration reform and immigration reform?

    The only difference I can ascertain - if it's "comprehensive,"
    we're gonna have to buy extra Preparation-H when it hits.

    What part of "We don't owe our jobs to India" are you unable to understand, Senator?

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    There is no definitive data on how many undocumented immigrants are present in the U.S. The most reliable estimates assume that there are between 8 million and 12 million families. The scale of these numbers is striking when related to the U.S. labor force. From 1999 to 2005, 4.1 million workers are estimated to have arrived from abroad, or approximately 86% of the net increase in the total number of employed persons over the same period.
    According to the report just put out by the House Subcommittee on Homeland Security, IN JUST 2005, AS MANY AS 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens crossed into the U.S. This is just 1 year!!!! So what are the real numbers?????

    The full report can be found at:

    http://hsc.house.gov/PDFs/Investigation ... report.pdf

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    According to the report just put out by the House Subcommittee on Homeland Security, IN JUST 2005, AS MANY AS 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens crossed into the U.S. This is just 1 year!!!! So what are the real numbers?????
    How much more of this can we take? Our government has lost their minds? Is their something in the water in Washington D.C. ? Are the citizens of that area okay ?

    Great posts, Coto!!

    I agree dlm1968, God will be the only one who can do something about this. And he can. We have to believe that he will. But you know how it goes with him....he expects us to help.

    I firmly believe that God would say that the American people deserve to have their laws respected and obeyed just like he would say the same for every country on earth.

    Do you think he would say....."Disrespect and break the laws of other countries to get what you desire or need." That doesn't sound like the God I know, love and respect.

    He expects us to help ourselves and when these people run from their countries they are not helping those who are left behind to fend for themselves against corrupt governments.

    Even those poor women in Mexico who were begging President Bush to stop this insanity of taking all their men away......for cheap labor in America no less !! How sad !! How cruel !! How stupid !! How wrong !!

    No, something tells me illegal immigration is not exactly on God's list of good things to do. I also do not think that he thinks that allowing and encouraging illegal immigration is on his list of good deeds for a president to do. He expects leadership and leadership does not encourage and promote people to break the laws of any country.
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    Hi Legal US Citizen,
    Hi Kate,

    Quote Originally Posted by LegalUSCitizen
    How much more of this can we take?
    None, we're excess already (to Hillary's delight). If the Senate has its way, the entire population of Mexico, upon the transition to the North American Union PLUS, unlimited Tata employees from India (as soon as they raise the H-1B cap to infinity), will be in our faces. Keep in mind that Tata can (and will) send over millions, limited only by the time it takes the airlift and sealift. United and Delta airlines have already announced additional flight service to India to support this upcoming "migration" of inbound "replacement workers." .
    Our government has lost their minds?
    No, but consider our real government consisting of 4 branches:

    The Council on Foreign Relations
    The Trilateral Commission
    The Illuminati
    The Bilderbergs


    Consider other taxpayer funded government administrations:
    The Friends of India Caucus
    Communist La Raza
    INCPAC
    Is their something in the water in Washington D.C. ?
    The only "contaminent" I know of is the same as most cities - sodium floride.

    Any journalists out there want proof? Bring it on!!!

    What part of "We don't owe our jobs to India" are you unable to understand, Senator?

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