Thread: Unfortunately, Arizona does NOT have it right: SB1070 accomp

Arizona’s SB1070 accomplishes very little except sacrificing the liberty of U.S. citizens, A free society and a surveillance society cannot coexist

Unfortunately, Arizona does NOT have it right

By Tom DeWeese & Mark Lerner
Monday, August 16, 2010

There is no question that the citizens of Arizona, like the citizens of all of the southern border states, face grave and outrageous dangers from the invasion of illegals rushing across the borders.

Private property is being destroyed; crime is skyrocketing; costs for schools and hospitals is forcing bankruptcy on local communities; and violence is becoming a way of life. No American, living in a nation where rights are supposed to be protected and guaranteed, should be forced to live under such conditions.

The problem, of course, is that the federal government refuses to take the actions necessary to stop illegal immigration. It refuses to secure the border either by placing more border patrol agents in place or allowing local police forces to take action when they have a known illegal in their custody. In addition, the federal government refuses to allow local and state agencies to withdraw taxpayer services like schools, healthcare and welfare to illegals.

As a result, the lure of easy money and free housing, health care and schools looming just across an unprotected border draws those now living in the failed socialist Mexican system. The risk is low and the rewards are high. And so they come in ever growing numbers, swamping the systems that were set up to serve American taxpayers.

Desperate Arizonians have had enough and have taken steps to do something about it. As a result, the state has passed and is ready to enforce legislation (SB1070) that has become a national debate on how to best secure our nation against this ever growing invasion. The problem is, in spite of its courageous stand as an example to the rest of the nation, Arizona may not have it right and will do more harm than good to the all-important fight to stop illegal immigration. Worse, it may stand as a direct threat to the liberties of all Americans, which the law was actually intended to protect.

To understand the potential threat to Americans liberties posed by SB1070, it must be put in the proper context of what the federal government is driving towards – a total surveillance society, seeking any and all information about each and every American citizen.

In that vein, it is important to note that information is power and currently, only the federal government is collecting such information. SB1070 could change that, not only in Arizona, but in states that are now considering enacting similar laws. Moreover, the information the federal government is collecting is your information and it is being shared with international law enforcement agencies and foreign governments at the discretion of the federal government.

Unintended Consequences
There is no question that our country must deal with the problem of illegal immigration. The purpose of SB1070 is to identify people in our country illegally, specifically Arizona, and insure those people are sent back to their country of origin. But how is that to be accomplished, according the SB1070?

1) The following is the wording contained in the legislation:

E. Except as provided in federal law, officials or agencies of this state and counties, cities, towns and other political subdivisions of this state may not be prohibited or in any way

be restricted from sending, receiving or maintaining information relating to the immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual or exchanging that information with any other federal, state or local governmental entity for the following official purposes:

1. Determining eligibility for any public benefit, service or license provided by any federal, state, local or other political subdivision of this state.

2. Verifying any claim of residence or domicile if determination of residence or domicile is required under the laws of this state or a judicial order issued pursuant to a civil or criminal proceeding in this state.

2) SB1070 is and will be used as a“toolâ€

Maybe we just need to replace those in governmnet that have allowed this entire mess to happen with people that will enforce the laws.

Sadly the twisting of our constitution has aided this mess

And we have allowed it

While our constitution allows many freedoms for citizens, It was never intended to aid and abet lawbreakers , aliens and other criminals.

Thats why when you commit certain crimes you lose certain rights.
An American citizen that commits a felony can lose the right to carry a gun, or vote

There are some rights that apply to illegal aliens such as not getting the crap kicked out of them on arrest (are you listening mexico?)

They SHOULD NOT be allowed due process, they tie up their cases in courts for years while remaining here. Once determined that they are illegal it should be a short and simple trip back to their home countries.

I also feel that since we are in a state of war on 3 fronts , Afghan, Iraq and terror that any and all people illegally present in the US MUST be considered terrorists or Subversives and tried as such.

to my fellow Republicans / Patriots that miss G.W. Bush .. you truly have not been paying attention .. you been conned NEOConned

are ya awake yet America or have you already transformed into AmeriKa by fiat

Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using modern American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries.[1][2][3] Consequently the term is chiefly applicable to certain Americans and their strong supporters. In economics, unlike paleoconservatives and libertarians, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a welfare state; and, while rhetorically supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

Dont worry... there are Many NEOCONs "RINO's" ready to take over G.W. Bush's Place and procede with the Socialism take down of our Republic

SEN. John "I Can't Give Them Amnesty Quick Enough" McCain

SEN. Lindesy Grahmn ~ John McCain's "MINI ME"

President Obama .. they are all one in the same and have the same end result