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    US-born citizens, even terrorists, can't be barred from re-entry

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    ISIS wife dilemma: US-born citizens, even terrorists, can't be barred from re-entry, experts say


    By Hollie McKay | Fox News


    American woman who joined ISIS in Syria claims she was brainwashed, wants to come home


    She married into one of the most brutal terrorist outfits in history, but now Alabama native Hoda Muthana, 24, wants to come home along with the 18-month-son she had with an ISIS husband.

    The question is weighing heavily among American legislators, law enforcement and intelligence analysts.

    What to do with the wives of the ISIS fighters and what threat do they pose to the homeland?


    “They should be brought home and charged criminally under terrorism, murder or other applicable laws. At the very least they should be charged with material support to a terrorist group,” Scott Stewart, VP of Tactical Analysis for Stratfor, a leading geopolitical analysis and forecasting firm, told Fox News. “These women should be held responsible for their choices and actions in support of a genocidal death cult.”


    Through her attorney, Hassan Shilby, Muthana has pledged her “deep regret” for having been “ignorant and arrogant” when she first fled her home in Hoover, Alabama in 2014 to become a jihadi bride. Shilby also underscored that his client is ready to face any legal consequences and wants to be a voice to stop others from committing the same mistake.


    “She is just another victim of these monsters,” Shilby, a lawyer for CAIR Florida who has represented the Muthana family since Hoda left the U.S., told a local Alabama paper this week.


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    According to The Guardian, Muthana is currently the only American among an estimated 1,500 foreign women and children inside the sprawling al-Hawl displacement camp, which hosts some 39,000 people displaced by the long-running SIS battle in northern Syria.


    But accurate figures of exactly how many U.S. citizens have left to join the callous terrorist organization, either as fighters or brides, are hard to come by.


    A report released last year by George Washington University’s Program on Extremism estimated that 300 Americans had purportedly joined ISIS and other related insurgent groups in Iraq and Syria at that stage, but it’s not certain exactly how many actually made it into the ranks.


    Twelve of those 300 were documented to have returned home. Of those 12, nine were subsequently arrested and remain behind bars. Another two have not been detained, but are known to authorities. The report pointed out that a 12th man returned to the Syrian battlefield for a second time and executed a suicide bombing.


    None who have come back has committed an attack on American soil.


    “I'm not sure anyone, even the U.S. government, knows for certain. There are dozens of American citizens who are believed to have joined jihadist groups such as the Islamic State and Hyat Tharir al-Sham,” Stewart noted.

    “However, nobody really knows how many have survived and are still there, other than the handful who have been captured and identified themselves as American citizens.”



    This still from a video released by ISIS shows slain American James Foley with a man believed to be Mohammed Emwazi, formerly known by the alias, "Jihadi John." (Reuters)


    The roughly 300 number accounted for about one percent of the overall 30,000 foreign fighters who joined the ISIS ranks in Iraq and Syria, with the vast majority coming from other Middle East countries as well as Europe.

    At least 50 additional Americans have been apprehended attempting to leave with the intention to join ISIS, never making it beyond U.S. borders.


    Like many of the ISIS foreign wives who faced the perils of being widowed and abandoned, Muthana married multiple times and is believed to have had three ISIS husbands throughout her tenure. She is also known to have been an ISIS recruiter and promoted the “spilling of American blood.”


    A U.S-born, 2013 graduate of Hoover High School, Muthana went on, for a short time, to study a business degree at the University of Alabama Birmingham before becoming “inspired” by ISIS radicals she connected with online and subsequently fleeing.


    Under the 14th Amendment, according to Stewart, native-born citizens – such as Muthana – cannot have their citizenship revoked against their will, although they can renounce citizenship if desired.


    “A naturalized citizen can be denaturalized if they achieved citizenship via fraud, or if they are members of a subversive group – ISIS and al Qaeda would count as such – within five years of being naturalized,” he observed. “That means the U.S. government cannot prevent the women from entering the U.S. if they get here. However, getting to the U.S. could prove to be a challenge if they have lost or destroyed their passports and/or if they have been added to the no-fly list as potential terrorists.”


    Muthana is reported to have absconded from ISIS territory just a few weeks ago and surrendered herself to Kurdish fighters. Shilby has said he has contacted the FBI to arrange for her to be taken into custody on return, but claims they have shown “no interest” in her dilemma.


    And the U.S. is under no obligation to assist the ISIS wife out of Syria and back to the U.S.


    “Legally, we don’t have an obligation to facilitate travel home, but an American who arrives at the border can’t be barred from entry,” explained Dr. Ardian Shajkovci, the director of research at the International Center for the Study of Violent Extremism (ICSVE). “Legally we can only prosecute for laws that were in place at the time of their travel, so no ex post facto prosecution.”

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    But if there is evidence enough to prosecute, they are prosecuted as terrorists, Shajkovci said – usually under material support for terrorism laws which allow us to prosecute for giving bodily support, money etc. – they can’t just return home and not face the law.


    “The U.S. has not thus far refused to take anyone back, but they could,” he continued. “The UK has stripped citizenship and others have as well, especially when there are dual citizenships.”


    Reports on Tuesday afternoon by ITV News indicated that another ISIS wife, London-born Shamima Begum who, too, had made an appeal to return home, was to be stripped of her British citizenship.

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    Typically, the wives are held in a separate area confined from the rest of the displaced population and are well-guarded by the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) who are backed by the U.S. Much of the reasoning for keeping them there is less about a security threat stemming from them, and more about avoiding conflict and retaliation by upset locals who have suffered at the hands of and lost loved ones to the terrorist group.


    Lena Frizler talks of returning to her native Germany after fleeing to be an ISIS wife, but fears her children will be taken from her. (Hollie McKay/Fox News)


    However, officials have long complained that the wives are often ungrateful and resentful in their own right – threating camp workers with disrespect and fighting amongst each other with accusations of stealing and parental differences.

    Several ISIS wives and widows interviewed by Fox News last year said that they wanted to receive visits from representatives from their native governments, but that as of that stage, nobody had reached out to them.


    It also remains unclear exactly how many western “wives” went voluntarily or were forced to travel to the now crumpled caliphate – and remain there – but approximations suggest the figure is in the thousands and said to represent more than 120 nationalities.


    The U.S and its SDF fighters are in the final fight to completely rid ISIS of its territorial control in Syria, and the question looms large over what will happen to many fighters and their families apprehended and being watched over in the region. This year alone, two Americans – including one minor – were captured by the SDF fighting for ISIS.


    President Donald Trump has urged European countries to take back their citizens who fled, but to date the issue seems to be falling flat. On Monday, France rejected the request – insisting it will deal with its some 150 suspected jihadists on a “case-by-case” basis.

    Anne Speckhard, Adjunct Associate Professor of Psychiatry at the Georgetown University School of Medicine and director of the International Center for the Study of Violent Extremism (ICSVE) stressed that in the case of U.S. citizens going abroad to join groups like ISIS, we ultimately have a responsibility to take our citizens back if the government that caught them is not interested in keeping and prosecuting them.

    “In the case of the Syrian Defense Forces, they are not a recognized government and have no legitimate way to prosecute them and maybe most importantly they are asking everyone to take the ISIS men and women and children they have in their custody home,” she added.

    “We should respect that given the SDF bravely fought ISIS in the world’s behalf. Some women committed horrors in ISIS, must most did not bear arms or shed blood, but still get prosecuted. Probably best to give them short sentences and rehabilitation.”

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    Hundreds of ISIS fighters held in Syria are a 'time bomb,' U.S.-backed ...
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    Strip her of citizenship and that kid was not born on our soil. Keep HER there!

    If her family wants to adopt the kid, so be it. SHE needs to go to court in the Middle East!

    Let the Middle East put them in International Court and do what they want with them!

    Now Europe does not want these damn people. WE do not want ANY of them here! Do not bring them here!

    There needs to be automatic death penalty for all Domestic and Foreign Terrorists including these massive gangs. I do not want to pay to incarcerate hundreds of thousands of violent vermin for life!

    You cannot rehabilitate these people. And they are a cancer spreading across the planet. There are too damn many!
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    Andrew McCarthy: Why it’s so hard to revoke the citizenship of terrorists

    By Andrew McCarthy | New York Post


    American woman who joined ISIS in Syria claims she was brainwashed, wants to come home

    The Alabama woman who left the U.S. in 2015 says she has concerns for her son's future; Trey Yingst reports.


    What allegiance does the United States owe to our enemies when they are our own citizens?

    More than we should.


    The question arises due to the case of Hoda Muthana, a young woman born in Alabama, the daughter of Yemeni immigrant parents.


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    As too often happens, the impressionable young Muslim was drawn, in her teen years, into fundamentalist Islam. This ideology -- commonly called “radical Islam,” but more accurately labeled “sharia supremacism” -- teaches that Muslims have a duty to impose and spread Islamic law throughout the world. It fuels violent jihadism and other aggressive Islamist strategies, pressuring governments and societies to concede to fundamentalist Muslims the right to live autonomously -- i.e., to adhere to sharia whenever it conflicts with domestic law.


    This is a profoundly dangerous concession. Sharia supremacism is anti-American and anti-Western. It systematically discriminates against women and non-Muslims; it rejects our notions of equality, freedom, and privacy. Basically, it is counter-constitutional.


    The result in Muthana’s case was dire. She fled to Syria to join the Islamic State terrorist network -- the ISIS caliphate. And she was all in, calling for violent jihad against the West and the annihilation of the United States in ISIS recruiting messages on social media. “Spill all of their blood or rent a big truck n drive all over them. Kill them” -- that is what she called for her fellow radicals to do to her fellow Americans.


    Though just 24 years old, Muthana is on her third marriage, her first two husbands having been ISIS militants killed fighting American and other armed forces. She has an 18-month-old son, born of her second marriage, to a jihadi killed in Mosul.

    She was captured by Kurdish forces and is now living in a refugee camp in Syria. Naturally, she is expressing remorse and pleading that she be permitted to return with her son to her family in Alabama.

    Clearly, she is not a sympathetic case. Nevertheless, she has a right as an American to be admitted back into the United States.


    It is entirely reasonable to posit that, because she has committed treason, Muthana should be deemed to have renounced her American citizenship by making war on our country. But that is not the law.


    A person who is an American citizen by birth may not have that citizenship revoked without her consent. In its 1973 Afroyim v. Rusk decision,
    the Supreme Court reasoned that the Constitution does not grant Congress the power to strip an American of citizenship because, in our system, the people are sovereign -- the government serves us, it is not the source of our citizenship.

    I think this is ill-considered. Citizenship implies obligations of fealty as well as benefits. Traitorous acts should be construed as renouncing those obligations, and thus renouncing citizenship itself.


    Moreover, there are situations in which the power of government to revoke citizenship is recognized. Granted, these involve naturalized citizens who procure citizenship by fraud. But a section of our immigration law permits revocation if a naturalized citizen joins a subversive organization within five years of becoming a citizen. The legalistic theory is that this is a form of fraud: You can’t have taken the oath of citizenship seriously if, so soon after being naturalized, you’ve joined such a group -- e.g., al Qaeda. But the more salient point, I believe, is that you have renounced the obligations of citizenship; it should not matter if you are a born or a naturalized American if you make war against America.


    Alas, that is not how the law is interpreted. Muthana will be permitted re-entry into our country. She should be prosecuted for treason and terrorism offenses. Indeed, the Justice Department should indict her now, so that she has fair notice of what she faces if she chooses to return.


    For purposes of our security, we should be thankful that this is a highly unusual situation. Not many Americans have been captured fighting for ISIS. A more pressing challenge than what happens in Syria is that we avoid the development of sharia-supremacist enclaves within our country. As we learn from the European experience, such enclaves can become cauldrons of radicalization.


    Some people, like Hoda Muthana, will take that calling half way around the world; many more will practice jihadism at home.

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andr...-of-terrorists

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    ISIS wife from Alabama will not be admitted to the US, Pompeo says

    By Alex Pappas | Fox News


    Alabama-born ISIS wife who reportedly told Americans to kill themselves now begging to come home

    Alabama woman who joined ISIS years ago is now begging for officials to let her back into the U.S. Kurdish forces captured Hoda Muthana, 24, and she is now at a refugee camp.


    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Wednesday that an Alabama woman who joined ISIS but now wants to return home with the 18-month-son she had with her ISIS husband will not be admitted back into the United States, saying she is not a U.S. citizen.

    “Ms. Hoda Muthana is not a U.S. citizen and will not be admitted into the United States,” Pompeo said in a statement.

    “She does not have any legal basis, no valid U.S. passport, no right to a passport, nor any visa to travel to the United States.

    We continue to strongly advise all U.S. citizens not to travel to Syria.”


    ALABAMA WOMAN WHO JOINED ISIS BEGGING TO COME HOME


    Muthana, 24, has pleaded with officials to let her back into the U.S. following her recent escape from ISIS and capture by Kurdish forces. She is being held in a refugee camp in northeast Syria and told The Guardian in an interview that her last four years with the terrorist group have been a traumatizing experience where “we starved and we literally ate grass."


    “I would tell them please forgive me for being so ignorant, and I was really young and ignorant and I was 19 when I decided to leave,” she told the newspaper when asked if she had a message for American officials.

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    Muthana first made headlines in 2015 after it emerged that she left her family in Birmingham, Alabama to join the bloodthirsty terrorist group.

    An attorney representing her parents at the time said Muthana was “brainwashed” over the Internet, according to the Associated Press, and that she went against her family’s wishes and the teachings of Islam by secretly boarding a plane to Turkey in late 2014 to link up with ISIS.


    The attorney said it then, but it wasn’t until Sunday -- in her interview with The Guardian -- that Muthana admitted herself that she was “brainwashed” and made a “big mistake.”


    ALABAMA WOMAN RECRUITED TO ISIS


    “I thought I was doing things correctly for the sake of God,” she said, adding that she was “brainwashed once and my friends are still brainwashed.”


    The newspaper says Muthana, during her time with ISIS, lived in their once-stronghold of Raqqa and was married to jihadists from Australia, Tunisia, and Syria – the first two of which have been killed in battle.



    The al-Hawl refugee camp in northeast Syria, where Muthana is now being held. (Getty Images)

    In 2015, Muthana reportedly operated a Twitter account and once tried to use it to incite Americans to commit acts of violence amongst themselves on national holidays.

    “Americans wake up! Men and women altogether. You have much to do while you live under our greatest enemy, enough of your sleeping!” she once wrote, according to The Guardian.

    “Go on drivebys, and spill all of their blood, or rent a big truck and drive all over them. Veterans, Patriots, Memorial, etc day … Kill them.”


    Muthana now has an 18-month-old son from one of her ISIS marriages. In her interview with The Guardian, Muthana also claims her parents were too strict on her in her upbringing, a factor that she says contributed to her decision to defect to ISIS.


    “You want to go out with your friends and I didn’t get any of that,” she said. “I turned to my religion and went in too hard. I was self-taught and thought whatever I read, it was right."


    Now Muthana is not allowed to leave the camp she is being held at and has to be escorted around by Kurdish fighters, more than 6,500 miles away from the Alabama city she once called home.

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    She is a International Terrorist and should get the death penalty. Put her to sleep...permanently.

    Same for Domestic Terrorists, Cartels and Gangs. We have got to STAMP this out and not let them live another day or another minute. They continue their crimes behind bars. We should not be forced to pay for their incarceration for decades!

    They have NO remorse or sympathy for murdering and torturing innocent people.

    Set up an International Court in the Middle East where they are and get the job done.

    Europe does not want them back either. We do not want them. Put them down.

    Thousands of these men, women and their children who are violent, evil, vermin. Put them down so they cannot visit their evil on others and infiltrate our countries.

    She was married to THREE terrorists!

    We cannot "revoke" their citizenship but we can REVOKE their lives!

    If these DemonRats can murder an innocent baby through abortion up to and after childbirth...then they should damn well be on board with putting these animals down on the spot!

    Problem solved...they should not be transported anywhere but six feet under!
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    Father of US-born woman who joined IS sues over citizenship


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    US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says that the diplomatic status of the father of a US-born woman who joined the Islamic State group means she is not a citizen


    US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says that the diplomatic status of the father of a US-born woman who joined the Islamic State group means she is not a citizen (AFP Photo/Eric BARADAT ) More


    Washington (AFP) - The father of an Alabama woman who joined the Islamic State group in Syria sued Thursday to bring her home after the Trump administration took the extraordinary step of declaring that she was not a US citizen.


    Hoda Muthana, 24, says that she regrets joining the extremists and is willing to face prosecution in the United States over her incendiary propaganda on behalf of the ruthless but dwindling group.


    A day after President Donald Trump declared on Twitter that he had issued orders to bar her, Muthana's father filed an emergency lawsuit asking a federal court to affirm that his daughter is a US citizen and let her return along with her toddler son, whose father was a Tunisian jihadist killed in battle.


    The brewing legal battle hinges on the murky timeline of bureaucratic paperwork in 1994 when Muthana was born and her father, Ahmed Ali Muthana, left a position at Yemen's mission to the United Nations.


    The US Constitution grants citizenship to everyone born in the country -- with the exception of children of diplomats, as they are not under US jurisdiction.


    "Upon her return to the United States, Mr. Muthana's daughter is prepared and willing to surrender to any charges the United States Justice Department finds appropriate and necessary," said the lawsuit filed with the US District Court in Washington.


    "She simply requires the assistance of her government in facilitating that return for herself and her young son," it said.


    - Born as father left UN mission -

    In the lawsuit, Ahmed Ali Ahmed said he was asked by Yemen to surrender his diplomatic identity card on June 2, 1994 as the Arab country descended into one of its civil wars. Hoda Muthana was born in New Jersey on October 28 of that year and the family later settled in Hoover, Alabama, a prosperous suburb of Birmingham.

    The State Department initially questioned Hoda Muthana's right to citizenship when her father sought a passport for her as a child because US records showed he had been a diplomat until February 1995, the lawsuit said.


    But it said that the State Department accepted a letter from the US mission to the United Nations that affirmed that he had ended his position before his daughter's birth and granted her a passport.


    The lawsuit said that Hoda Muthana was also entitled to citizenship due to her mother as she became a US permanent resident, anticipating the loss of diplomatic status, in July 1994.


    Ahmed Ali Muthana additionally asked for the right to send money to support his daughter and grandson, who are being held by US-allied Kurdish fighters at the forefront of fighting the Islamic State militants.


    She furtively went to Syria in 2014 when the Islamic State group was carrying out a grisly campaign of beheadings and mass rape and turned to social media to praise the killings of Westerners.


    - 'She's not coming back' -

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who was named in the lawsuit along with Trump, in a terse statement Wednesday said that Hoda Muthana was not a citizen.

    Pompeo did not outline the legal rationale but in an interview Thursday, asked if the key issue was that her father had been a diplomat, Pompeo said, "That's right."


    "She may have been born here. She is not a US citizen, nor is she entitled to US citizenship," Pompeo told NBC television's "Today" show.

    In a separate interview with the Fox Business Network, Pompeo dismissed the "heart-strings" pitch in Muthana's pleas to return home.

    "This is a woman who inflicted enormous risk on American soldiers, on American citizens. She is a terrorist. She's not coming back," he said.


    It is extremely difficult for the United States to strip a person of citizenship, a step taken by Britain in the case of homegrown jihadists.


    Trump's order on Muthana came even though he is pushing other Western countries to bring back hundreds of jihadists to prosecute at home as the United States prepares to withdraw troops from Syria.

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    If we are forced by the courts to allow her to return, she needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible under law! I'm sorry, you just don't get to walk away from this with community service and counseling!

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    SEND HER TO HER FATHER'S COUNTRY IN YEMEN!
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