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    Young, pregnant migrant's case becomes a test of Trump policies on abortion and immig

    Young, pregnant migrant's case becomes a test of Trump policies on abortion and immigration

    Trump administration lawyers say the government has broad power to determine whether minors in immigration custody can obtain an abortion. (Nelvin C. Cepeda / San Diego Union-Tribune)

    Joseph TanfaniContact Reporter


    When the Trump administration chose E. Scott Lloyd, a prominent antiabortion activist and attorney, to head the federal agency that oversees refugee affairs, he quickly set about enforcing strict policies.

    For months, even as he personally intervened in cases and tried to talk young women out of getting abortions, his efforts drew little attention.
    The case of a 17-year-old pregnant girl in an immigration detention center in Texas has suddenly changed that.

    On Friday, a federal appellate panel here is scheduled to hear arguments in a case brought by the girl, called Jane Doe to shield her identity, to force Lloyd’s office to allow her to have an abortion. The dispute could be an important early test of both abortion rights and the treatment of immigrants in custody in the Trump era.

    Doe was pregnant when she crossed the border in September as an unaccompanied minor. Since then, she has been detained in a shelter in Texas. Lloyd, who has campaigned against abortion since his days as a law student at Catholic University, has denied her requests to leave the shelter to obtain an abortion, according to court papers.

    “I feel like they are trying to coerce me to carry my pregnancy to term,” she said in court filings, saying she was forced to attend a counseling session at a religiously affiliated center and made to look at a sonogram of her fetus.

    The Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services, uses a network of private shelters to care for minors who are caught crossing the border illegally. In March, shortly before Lloyd took over, the office put in place a policy that bars young women in their custody from taking any action to terminate a pregnancy, including scheduling medical appointments, without the written approval of the director.

    The American Civil Liberties Union has sued to overturn the policy, saying it puts an unconstitutional ”undue burden” on a woman’s right to an abortion. Brigitte Amiri, a senior staff attorney with the ACLU’s Reproductive Freedom Project, says Lloyd is illegally carrying his antiabortion crusade into his work as a government official.

    “Everyone is entitled to their beliefs about abortion in this country, but it is an entirely different matter when a government official assumes power and uses those beliefs to personally coerce young women,” Amiri said in an interview.

    “Imagine you’re a young woman who comes here,” Amiri said. “Your immigration status is held in the palm of Scott Lloyd’s hand, and this guy comes to you — this white guy in a suit — and says, ‘I think you should really carry your pregnancy to term.’ That abuse of government power is stunning.”

    In a brief telephone interview, Lloyd declined to comment and referred questions to the department.

    Administration lawyers have asserted the government has broad power to determine whether minors in immigration custody can obtain an abortion.

    Justice Department officials told the appeals court in a motion that the government was not infringing Doe’s rights because she could leave custody at any time if she agreed to waive her immigration claims and be deported.

    “Even if she must choose between leaving the United States and the ability to seek an abortion, that choice does not constitute an ‘undue burden’ because Ms. Doe, as an illegal alien, has no legitimate right to remain in the United States,” they wrote.

    In a statement Wednesday, after a lower court rejected those arguments, the agency said that it would fight to “ensure our country does not become an open sanctuary for taxpayer-supported abortions by minors crossing the border illegally.”

    If Doe has an abortion, it will be paid for privately since federal law does not allow tax funds to be used for the procedures.

    The legal battle is playing out as the Trump administration moves toward other policies championed by religious conservatives. Earlier this month, Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions issued a memo instructing agencies that “except in the narrowest circumstances, no one should be forced to choose between living out his or her faith and complying with federal law."

    Lloyd has been deeply involved in antiabortion issues much of his adult life, and while at Catholic University a decade ago he worked with a professor on the case of Terri Schiavo in Florida, fighting on the side of her parents, who wanted their daughter kept alive by feeding tubes.

    He later started a law firm, LegalWorks Apostolate, which married the law with Catholic doctrine. During a stint working in the George W. Bush administration, he co-wrote a “medical conscience” rule that allowed medical personnel who morally opposed abortion or other services to refuse to provide them to patients. Many of those rules were rescinded by President Obama.

    In an essay on his firm’s website, Lloyd decried an Obama rule that extended healthcare benefits to contraceptive services.

    “Our tax dollars are being used to help trick people into aborting their own children, when they would not do so if someone was not lying to them,” Lloyd wrote.

    In one case as director of the refugee agency, Lloyd flew to San Antonio to try to talk a young woman out of having an abortion, court filings say.

    “As I’ve said, often these girls start to regret abortion, and if this comes up, we need to connect her with resources for psychological and/or religious counseling,” he wrote in an email included in the court filings.

    In another email, he stressed that shelters under the refugee office could only provide “pregnancy services and life-affirming options counseling.”

    The new antiabortion rules are a sharp departure from practices in other administrations, according to Robert Carey, who ran the resettlement office during the Obama administration.

    “Pregnant girls in our care were entitled to be informed of their options,” he said. “The role of the director is not to convince a woman to pursue a course of action.”
    Conflicts over abortion did come up in the program during the Obama
    administration. The ACLU sued the government last year because some Catholic-run shelters refused to accommodate abortions. Usually, Carey said, the department steered pregnant minors to shelters not opposed to abortions in order to preserve their options.

    The case has already become a rallying cry for abortion rights advocates. In a statement, the Planned Parenthood Federation of America called the government’s actions “outrageous.”

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), in a statement Thursday, said, “It’s appalling that the Trump administration believes women — undocumented or otherwise — don’t have the right to control their own bodies and make their own health care decisions.”

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    That crazy dude needs to be fired. Pronto. Ass hats like that will cost a President a re-election. 3 family members voted for Hillary, all Republican raised, solely on the fear that Trump as a Pro-Life candidate would try to change law. Due to everything else good that he was doing they were all 3 ready to come home and vote for Trump in 2020 because of everything he was doing on trade, jobs, healthcare, economy, stock market, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Gulf States, energy, coal, manufacturing, pipelines .... they were even going to support Gillespie for Governor, until yesterday when this story hit the news and all they could say was "I told you so. What a damn shame."

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    OMG!
    do we really have time & monies to spend on illegals, pregnant or not ??????- GET OUT OF HERE, OUR GOVT RE YOUR PREGNANCIES -BYE, BYE - ADIOS- COMPREHEND?? YOU HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING YOUR WAY WITH YOUR CITIZENSHIP NATION - MOVE THERE.
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    She wants the cake and to eat it too!

    Justice Department officials told the appeals court in a motion that the government was not infringing Doe’s rights because she could leave custody at any time if she agreed to waive her immigration claims and be deported.
    She came here illegally. She should have no rights in this country. In the end she should be deported. So it is not our government doing this to her. She is making the choice.

    I'm not a pro-lifer who thinks she should not be allowed to get an abortion. But she can get one in her own country. Even though the abortion would allegedly be paid for privately, it would appear that her sole purpose in coming here illegally was to get an abortion. Allowing that would open the floodgates for more of the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtdc View Post
    She came here illegally. She should have no rights in this country. In the end she should be deported. So it is not our government doing this to her. She is making the choice.

    I'm not a pro-lifer who thinks she should not be allowed to get an abortion. But she can get one in her own country. Even though the abortion would allegedly be paid for privately, it would appear that her sole purpose in coming here illegally was to get an abortion. Allowing that would open the floodgates for more of the same.
    Agreed!

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    GET THESE DEPRAVED BLOOD SUCKERS OUT OF HERE NOW! Ask American citizens if they want to pay for such and more - pelosi schumer, guitteras and now trump seems to be aligned with giving our funds away to other countries citizens for their population problems -yet albeit, our medicare, medicaid will be cut for whom? NOT FOR ILLEGALS AND THE LIKE IN QUESTION WITH CHILD BY WHOM -
    WERE IS THE FATHER - TAKES TWO TO TANGO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtdc View Post
    She came here illegally. She should have no rights in this country. In the end she should be deported. So it is not our government doing this to her. She is making the choice.

    I'm not a pro-lifer who thinks she should not be allowed to get an abortion. But she can get one in her own country. Even though the abortion would allegedly be paid for privately, it would appear that her sole purpose in coming here illegally was to get an abortion. Allowing that would open the floodgates for more of the same.
    No, jtdc, she can't get one in her own country, she's Central American. I looked it up and ALL Central American countries have banned abortions. The Catholic Church has told all these countries, some that had legalized abortions, that if they legalize abortions the Catholic Church will pull out all of its charities that help the poor in these countries. Nicaragua for example had legalized abortions several years ago and were told if they didn't repeal the law and reverse this policy, the Catholic Church was pulling everything out of Nicaragua, so needing the hospitals and charities, they repealed the law.

    Taxpayers won't be paying for the abortion if she has it here. She has to pay for it herself like everyone else who chooses to terminate a pregnancy in the United States. It doesn't cost US anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artist View Post
    GET THESE DEPRAVED BLOOD SUCKERS OUT OF HERE NOW! Ask American citizens if they want to pay for such and more - pelosi schumer, guitteras and now trump seems to be aligned with giving our funds away to other countries citizens for their population problems -yet albeit, our medicare, medicaid will be cut for whom? NOT FOR ILLEGALS AND THE LIKE IN QUESTION WITH CHILD BY WHOM -
    WERE IS THE FATHER - TAKES TWO TO TANGO!

    Change your voter registration to independent and make them worry their butts into reality.
    artist, we aren't paying for the abortion. The girl has to pay for it herself. Taxpayers aren't funding her abortion if she's allowed to have it. We will be funding an anchor baby though and all that goes with it for life including funding her if she has this baby on our soil, because if she drops it here, she'll never be deported.

    This is all a sick perversion of our laws. Sessions knows that. So someone needs to ask what in the hell he's really up to. He knows she won't be deported in time under the laws he claims is keeping her here to begin with. He knows if she doesn't get an abortion very very soon, she won't be able under Texas law to have one. He knows the government isn't paying for the abortion because it's been illegal for federal government funds to be used to fund abortions since 1974. He knows if he prevails, she'll drop an anchor baby on our soil, a new US citizen, in 4 months at the full expense of US taxpayers. He knows she'll never be deported after that. He knows she'll be signed up on Medicaid for life, food stamps for life, low-income housing for life, and stealing a job from an American for life. Sessions knows all that, so tell me, what in the hell is up to??!!!
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    Trump Administration Can Block Teenage Illegal Immigrant's Abortion Till Oct. 31


    Wall Street Journal · 2 hours ago

    Trump Administration Can Block Teenage Illegal Immigrant’s Abortion Till Oct. 31

    Appeals court rules HHS should find a private sponsor for the girl so she can obtain the procedure

    By Brent Kendall and
    Laura Meckler
    Updated Oct. 20, 2017 9:12 p.m. ET

    WASHINGTON—A divided federal appeals court late Friday ruled that the Trump administration for now can block an undocumented teenager from getting an abortion, but that it should seek a way to transfer custody of the girl so she can obtain the procedure.


    The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, by a 2-to-1 vote, said the administration can prevent a 17-year-old in U.S. custody from having an abortion through Oct. 31.


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    She'll be 18 weeks by then and has to travel a long distance to another facility, go through the whole doctor's exam again as well as wait for a schedule, which could easily take more than 2 weeks. Way to go Sessions and your anchor baby breeding factories. If he gets his way and it's looking like he will based on time frames alone, he's going to stick Americans with another anchor baby at our expense with an illegal alien who will never be deported. The baby will be given a US passport and SS#, the 17 year old will be set up with welfare for life with a green card to go with it, and for all we know she's got 2 incest kids back in Central America she fled to get away from, but will count the money available to her per head and use her green card to have them hauled in here for more benefits.

    Trump needs to call DHHS and put a gawd damn end to this stupidity right now. No, do not call DOJ. DOJ has nothing to do with this. This is handled by DHHS. Fire the loon in charge of Office of Refugee Settlement and get that girl and all the other girls out of there.

    Why would illegal aliens be in the charge of "Office of Refugee Settlement" to begin with??!!! They aren't refugees, they're illegal aliens.
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