Thread: POLL Is immigration a human rights issue?

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Is immigration a human rights issue?

Results so far:

Yes 55% 105 votes

No 45% 87 votes

Total: 192 votes

All immigration concerns are not human rights issues, however, when the consequences of deportation separates families (mothers, fathers, and children), immigration takes on a human rights agenda. People become sympathetic, sometimes missing the real issues!

In mid December 2006, several meat packing facilities were raided. People who were working at these companies under false identities and other suspicious documentations were arrested and detained. Many of these individuals were deported. There were groups screaming bloody murder as Immigration and Customs Enforcement did its jobs. People were deported back to their own countries. Some families were separated and left without financial support generating human rights concerns.

Even though the Constitution of the United States has guarantees that protect the rights of all people in the country, the laws in this case took precedent. Then, immigrants (most illegal) considered themselves targets, claiming discrimination and inhumane treatment. They consider America's current immigration laws unfair. Immigrants migrate here illegally, insisting that America's immigration policies are discriminatory because the laws don't fit their urgent need to be here right now, right away, by any means necessary. The players in this issue are lost in emotion that has lead to violence, unrest, and civil disobedience.

The true debate is more about illegal immigration than legal immigration. Sure, America's immigration process is slow and daunting, but it is a process that has worked since America's inception. The fundamental question that continues to haunt America is if its being fair and humane in the enforcement of current immigration laws when children, mothers, fathers, grandparents and other loved ones are being separated from their families, deported? When families are involved, immigration becomes a serious human rights issue.

What is missed is that the people who immigrated here illegally made the choice to do so! They placed themselves and their families in harms way, risking their own well being. When America is faced with budget woes and overcrowded schools, this doesn't appear to be at issue as illegal immigrants and supporters want to call foul and blame American policy and immigration procedure for their consequences - separated families. On both sides of this issue, feuding freedoms infringe and encroach upon the very meanings of the human rights of others. Guaranteed constitutional protections are debased by civil unrest, calculated actions, and subtle propaganda ploys contrived to frustrate the immigration debate.

There is power in numbers. More than 3 decades of illegal immigration coupled with legal immigration has created strong groups like the ACLU, MALDEF, and La Raza organizations that support changing immigration laws immediately to accommodate hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants working and living in America with no legal documentation. They insist, "no borders."

In their civil unrest and disobedience, these groups and their followers defy American immigration laws with terrorism and asymmetrical tactics used to twist constitutional rights to fit their personal goals. Asymmetric warfare most commonly refers to warfare between opponents not evenly matched where the smaller or weaker force must exploit geography, timing, surprise, or specific vulnerabilities of the larger and stronger force to achieve victory. With illegal immigration, what is asymmetrical in tactic is the fact that having large numbers of children - so called Anchor Babies - deeply roots illegal immigration - 30 plus years of illegal and legal immigration have created forces to be reckoned with that use asymmetrical tactics to force the issues.

Every person is connected in spirituality and in human element. Propaganda ploys work on the sympathies of the well being of people connected. The asymmetrical aspect in this debate is using broken families and children as human rights elements surely to generate sympathy and special consideration from America struggling with the immigration issue. As well, it gives illegal immigration activists power. Hence, the human rights elements of this great debate outweigh the illegalities and other problems associated with illegal immigration, and the crux of the problem.

America does not have a problem when individuals immigrate through prescribed laws of the land. There is no other country in the world wherein a people can just boldly cross the border, brazenly defy laws, act civilly disobedient, ignore warnings, and drain government, state, and city budgets, and still be accommodated based on constitutional freedoms offered. No place but America. How wonderful a country is America as it takes into every consideration any and every human rights issue its made to bare despite its current immigration laws, broken and disrespected by powers, principles, personal and political agendas.

Human rights and freedom of speech are not synonymous to terrorism, asymmetrical tactics, propaganda ploys, and social unrest. It is not about double standards that point fingers of blame in one direction (America), leaving several other fingers pointing back to the source - people who immigrate here illegally and suffer the consequences of their choice. In proportion, America is forced to handle this issue with "kid gloves" as it is a heated, emotional, and a divisive issue, clouded by human rights concerns.

America, "Let us not lose heart and grow weary and faint in acting nobly and doing right, for in due time and at the appointed season we shall reap, if we do not loosen and relax our courage and faint." Galatians 6:9; The Holy Bible and basis of the United States Constitution.

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Originally Posted by Richard

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IS THIS A HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE?

YES!! America!
We are the ones on the losing end of this obvious criminal issue and jobs issue, hospital closings issue, over crowded schools issue with non-taxpaying illegal kids or anchor-babies issues, the over-crowded prisons issue, the identity fraud issue and the welfare fraud issue!

As a country we are NOT liable for ever corrupt 3rd world countries people! The FIRST RIGHTS are to our own people. WE are sick and tired of being taken advantage from Visa liars, illegal immigrants and the fraud in the Refugee Resettlement Program.
WE GET TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHO WE HELP! THEY DO NOT GET THAT RIGHT!

Due to the unrelenting illegal border crossing, our government wanting to Amnesty these people for their votes and not their compassion, most of us don't care about illegals ANYMORE!

They are killing us, raping us, stealing from us, taking our jobs, not following our laws and the biggest is identity fraud that is being committed against our people ANDour government could care less!

We cannot save everyone! See the Gumball Presentation Video........ it does not work!
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/resou ... balls.html

Is immigration a human rights issue?



Results so far:
Yes
51% 105 votes Total: 205 votes
No
49% 100 votes

Good picture!

Sheriff Joe is a hero of mine and many others here.

Originally Posted by WorriedAmerican

Good picture!

Sheriff Joe is a hero of mine and many others here.

Thanks WorriedAmerican. I love your pic too but I can not say the same ( as Obama) is not a hero of mine..lol..Go Joe!!

Results so far:
Yes
49% 106 votes
No
51% 110 votes

Total: 216 votes

Interesting more (5) "Polls" at the bottom of page from the link in the first post concerning "US IMMIGRATION" that would be worth couple of minutes to vote:

"Difference of opinion? Debate now.
US Immigration

Is race a factor in the current US immigration debate?
Are Mexican illegals seeking to immigrate or invade the US?
Is it OK to deport someone who has risked his/her life for the US?
Is the reporting of and response to crimes such as domestic violence disrupted when local police get involved in enforcing immigration laws?
Should US immigration reform focus on amnesty for illegal aliens or tighter enforcement of borders?"


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Yes 48% 107 votes

No 52% 114 votes

Total: 221 votes