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"Death panel" rumors got start in mainstream conservative media

NEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICE and ASSOCIATED PRESS
2:00 a.m. August 14, 2009

WASHINGTON The stubborn yet false rumor that President Barack Obama's health care proposals would create government-sponsored "death panels" . . .

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/health/policy/14panel.html?_r=0

I think that the term "Death Panel" was a bad choice of words as Ms. Palin sought to explain her opinion of the Health Care provision by which elderly people would be "called in" (to where?) for end-of-life counseling; yet, it is understandable how she or anyone would interpret the counselors as a "Death Panel."

Calling elderly Americans before one or two or more persons would be like calling them in front of a panel. If said counselling involves preparations for death, then it could easily be interpreted as a "Death Panel," even if it is not stated as such in the Health Care Bill. I don't think Ms. Palin meant that it was actually stated as such in the Bill, she was merely expressing her own thoughts in reference to the situation.

The problem lies with those people who like to make a mountain out of a mole-hill and stretch an individual's personal opinion or reference as a matter of literal fact.

Ms. Palin is absolutely right, however. Any Government that would dare to invade the privacy of an American's end-of-life preparations is going too far. What counseling would the Government provide? And I suppose it would recommend that the elderly person should turn over all of his or her assets to the Government when they die? (Don't go wild, opponents... this is only a personal supposition.)

Any attempt by a Government to invade a person's privacy and to control that person's private life in any form whatsoever is nothing more than a Dictatorship.

Yes, it was a bad choice of words, however when the government is out of money there will be rationing and it makes sense that it will impact the elderly and handicapped, and it will happen. We all know this in our gut. My concern all along is the control aspect of this bill. Insurance companies are not the bad guy here, they are just trying to make a buck, as they are suppose to. Yes we need some kind of reform, but total government control is not the reform we need. It is UNCONSTITUTIONAL for this to be happening. I dont' care what the rest of the countries are doing. We are not every other country. Drs won't be happy having a cap on their earnings and I don't blame them. Since when are we not allowed to make as much money as we are able? Look how much money people have made off of those wacky teeth for Holloween. Does any one say that they made tooooo much money?

Conservatives and pseudo-conservative all applauded the gov't getting involved in trying to prevent her husband from stopping her life support.
This is a decision left to the family, and the counseling will make sure that while a person is still of sound mind, they have a living will which will make their wishes known, who will be able to make the decisions about their medical care when they are no longer able to.
Too many elderly have nothing in writing making their wishes known, and a few of them have few or no relatives.
I am not going to get hot and bothered about any of this until we see something come out of the Senate and the joint House/Senate conference committee. Besides HB 3200, the House has two more they are considering and the Senate also has two.
How all this has turned into requiring the elderly to go before euthanasia counseling is a little disconnected to reality.

This article is related:

Far-right religious group behind outrageous health care lies
by Sue Sturgis
Tue Aug 11, 2009 at 11:44:22 AM PDT

When reporters asked former Alaska Gov. and Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin where she got the misinformation she posted to her Facebook page about the health care reform bill creating a "death panel" to promote euthanizing the elderly and people with disabilities, her spokesperson pointed to the section in the House Democrats' legislation that begins on page 425.

If Palin or her staff had actually read the bill, they would have realized this section simply promotes advance care planning, which in fact puts the power to make decisions about end-of-life care in the hands of individuals -- not government panels.

So where did Palin get that bad information? It appears she pulled it from a set of talking points that has been making its way around the internet in recent weeks -- talking points assembled by the Liberty Counsel, a far-right religious group that's part of Jerry Falwell's Liberty University empire based in Lynchburg, Va.

Founded in 1989, the Liberty Counsel is a nonprofit law firm and public policy organization with offices in Florida, Virginia and Washington, D.C. Its founder and chairman is Mathew D. Staver (in photo), who also serves as the dean of Liberty University School of Law, and its president is Staver's wife, attorney Anita L. Staver. Before becoming a lawyer, Mathew Staver was a pastor in the Seventh Day Adventist Church, a conservative Protestant sect that believes in the infallibility of the Bible.

Liberty Counsel established its reputation with lawsuits successfully challenging the division of church and state and became affiliated with Liberty University/Falwell Ministries in 2004. Before he died in 2007, Falwell said that he could "think of no greater work being done right now in America for the sake of our religious freedom and Christian heritage than that being done by Liberty Counsel."

The group made the news recently for its legal fight in Florida against a gay couple who received a judge's permission to adopt two children they helped rescue from a crack house. It's also won widespread attention for its Help Save Christmas® campaign as well as its annual Day of Purity™ promoting sexual abstinence among youth.

On July 29, 2009, Liberty Counsel released its talking points about the health care reform bill. Among the many parts of the legislation it raises concerns about is the page cited by Palin, about which it states:

* Sec. 1233, Pg. 425, Lines 4-12 - Government mandates Advance (Death) Care Planning consultation. Think Senior Citizens and end of life. END-OF-LIFE COUNSELING. SOME IN THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED RATIONING HEALTH CARE FOR THE ELDERLY.

* Sec. 1233, Pg. 425, Lines 17-19 - Government WILL instruct and consult regarding living wills and durable powers of attorney. Mandatory end-of-life planning!

* Sec. 1233, Pg. 425-426, Lines 22-25, 1-3 - Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.

The section of the bill referred to does nothing resembling "rationing health care for the elderly" or "guiding you in death." As we already noted, it simply promotes advance care planning under the Medicare program by encouraging doctors to discuss with their patients advance directives such as living wills and durable powers of attorney -- legal documents that give individuals the power to state what they want in advance so that decision isn't left up to anyone else. You can read the entire bill with the pertinent page numbers here [pdf].

That got us wondering: What other distortions are contained in Liberty Counsel's talking points? We decided to fact-check some of the document's wilder claims against the actual text of the health care bill:

* THE CLAIM: "Sec. 122, Pg. 29, Lines 4-16 - YOUR HEALTH CARE WILL BE RATIONED!"

* THE FACTS: This refers to a section in Subtitle C of the legislation, which sets standards guaranteeing access to essential benefits. The lines the Liberty Counsel's talking point refers to actually limit the costs a family in a covered plan can be required to share in order to receive essential benefits. It does nothing to "ration" health care.

* THE CLAIM: "Sec. 1177, Pg. 354 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people! 'Extension of Authority of Special Needs Plans to Restrict Enrollment.'"

* THE FACTS: This piece of the legislation refers to a section of the Social Security Act governing insurance for the elderly and disabled. It grandfathers in certain plans that already had contracts to run integrated Medicaid-Medicare programs for the impoverished elderly, and it requires the Department of Health and Human Services to analyze the impact of those plans. It restricts no one's enrollment in anything.

* THE CLAIM: "Sec. 1308, Pg. 489 - The government will cover Marriage and Family therapy. This will involve government control of your marriage."

* THE FACTS: This section of the bill does provide for insurance coverage of marriage and family therapy -- but by licensed, certified therapists, not government agents.

As this quick fact-check shows, the Liberty Counsel's talking points appear to have been assembled by someone who is either only barely literate or who simply scanned the document for language that could be twisted to serve their own propaganda purposes, with little regard for what the legislation actually says.

Either way, the document reflects poorly on the Liberty Counsel, and by extension Liberty University. We have a call in to Liberty Counsel Media Director Tessa Sturgill and will let you know what we hear from her.

To fight against the kind of blatant distortions being propagated by the Liberty Counsel and others, the White House has launched "Health Insurance Reform Reality Check," in which experts take on various pieces of misinformation being spread about the legislation.