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    Air Force chief: Test weapons on testy U.S. mobs

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/12/usaf.w ... index.html

    Air Force chief: Test weapons on testy U.S. mobs
    POSTED: 7:56 p.m. EDT, September 12, 2006


    Secretary Michael Wynne says nonlethal weapons should be tested on U.S. civilians before being used on the battlefield.



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    -- Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before being used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday.

    The object is basically public relations. Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions from others about possible safety considerations, said Secretary Michael Wynne.

    "If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne. "(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."

    The Air Force has paid for research into nonlethal weapons, but he said the service is unlikely to spend more money on development until injury problems are reviewed by medical experts and resolved.

    Nonlethal weapons generally can weaken people if they are hit with the beam. Some of the weapons can emit short, intense energy pulses that also can be effective in disabling some electronic devices.

    On another subject, Wynne said he expects to choose a new contractor for the next generation aerial refueling tankers by next summer. He said a draft request for bids will be put out next month, and there are two qualified bidders: the Boeing Co. and a team of Northrop Grumman Corp. and European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co., the majority owner of European jet maker Airbus SAS.

    The contract is expected to be worth at least $20 billion (€15.75 billion).

    Chicago, Illinois-based Boeing lost the tanker deal in 2004 amid revelations that it had hired a top Air Force acquisitions official who had given the company preferential treatment.

    Wynne also said the Air Force, which is already chopping 40,000 active duty, civilian and reserves jobs, is now struggling to find new ways to slash about $1.8 billion (€1.4 billion) from its budget to cover costs from the latest round of base closings.

    He said he can't cut more people, and it would not be wise to take funding from military programs that are needed to protect the country. But he said he also incurs resistance when he tries to save money on operations and maintenance by retiring aging aircraft.

    "We're finding out that those are, unfortunately, prized possessions of some congressional districts," said Wynne, adding that the Air Force will have to "take some appetite suppressant pills." He said he has asked employees to look for efficiencies in their offices.

    The base closings initially were expected to create savings by reducing Air Force infrastructure by 24 percent.

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    Nonlethal weapons generally can weaken people if they are hit with the beam. Some of the weapons can emit short, intense energy pulses that also can be effective in disabling some electronic devices. [quote:2c04vd1x]


    What about people with pace makers getting hit! Do they call that non-lethal!
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    Sorry, I got the quote in the wrong place.
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    "On another subject, Wynne said he expects to choose a new contractor for the next generation aerial refueling tankers by next summer. He said a draft request for bids will be put out next month, and there are two qualified bidders: the Boeing Co. and a team of Northrop Grumman Corp. and European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co., the majority owner of European jet maker Airbus SAS. "

    If he even entertains the idea of sending more US work overseas he needs a good butt kicking.

    he looks like one of those slick Willy type I would not trust to walk my dog around the block.
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    I wonder what the lifetime leukemia rates are on civilians bombarded with intense radiation like this.

    Test it on Americans before combatants arrayed against US Troops.

    Folks, the ramifications of this kind of political view are terrifying.

    This man views American citizens as expendable as test rabbits.

    This man should be forced out of his position.

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    I agree W.

    What is he part of the Nazi party?

    This whole administration scares me and each day it gets worse.
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    An over zealous or under trained person using this type of device on AMERICANS COULD cause Lethal Damage. Hey you have the right to protest but if you get too loud, then we start testing weapons on you .

    Now they have a job that all Americans can do. We can become there lab rats. Hey, Screw You.
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    Why does'nt he test it on himself and his loved ones!
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    Actually, they have already been testing this technology on mock riot/mob scenarios so I don't understand why he is suggesting using them domestically?

    http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns? ... 725095.600

    VOLUNTEERS taking part in tests of the Pentagon's "less-lethal" microwave weapon were banned from wearing glasses or contact lenses due to safety fears. The precautions raise concerns about how safe the Active Denial System (ADS) weapon would be if used in real crowd-control situations.

    The ADS fires a 95-gigahertz microwave beam, which is supposed to heat skin and to cause pain but no physical damage (New Scientist, 27 October 2001, p 26). Little information about its effects has been released, but details of tests in 2003 and 2004 were revealed after Edward Hammond, director of the US Sunshine Project - an organisation campaigning against the use of biological and non-lethal weapons - requested them under the Freedom of Information Act.

    The tests were carried out at Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Two experiments tested pain tolerance levels, while in a third, a "limited military utility assessment", volunteers played the part of rioters or intruders and the ADS was used to drive them away.
    The only thing I ever got to test was this stupid heat sensing device that was pretty much worthless.

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