Thread: Armed militia group attempting to overthrow the government

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

So far only "Breaking and entering".
They broke into a locked building.

. . . "After the march Saturday, the armed protesters broke into the refuge's unoccupied building and refused to leave. Officials have said there are no government employees in the building." . . .
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/03/us/ore...efuge-protest/

The article didn't say it was locked. They may have just opened the door. They're assembled to protest and at least one person at the gate doesn't feel they've broken any laws. I don't agree with what they're doing but they do have the right to protest so long as they don't break any laws. That Bundy guy is a strange bird. He claims the federal government is taking land from farmers, but aren't those lands public lands and the farmers are just leasing them and paying very little on the leases to begin with? I think that was the story on another situation down in Texas. It wasn't the government taking more land, it was the government terminating ranch leases, which it has the right and full authority to do.

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2
So far only "Breaking and entering".
They broke into a locked building.

. . . "After the march Saturday, the armed protesters broke into the refuge's unoccupied building and refused to leave. Officials have said there are no government employees in the building." . . .
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/03/us/ore...efuge-protest/

Originally Posted by Judy

The article didn't say it was locked. They may have just opened the door. . . .

The article did say "BROKE INTO".
I do not know Oregon laws but in most places being armed during the commission of a crime is a separate crime.

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2
So far only "Breaking and entering".
They broke into a locked building.

. . . "After the march Saturday, the armed protesters broke into the refuge's unoccupied building and refused to leave. Officials have said there are no government employees in the building." . . .
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/03/us/ore...efuge-protest/

The article did say "BROKE INTO".
I do not know Oregon laws but in most places being armed during the commission of a crime is a separate crime.

But JohnDoe2, you know you can't rely upon that phrase "broke into" by the media as being an actual breaking of a lock. If they actually committed the crime of breaking and entering, the media would have said how they broke into the building. My guess is it's an empty unoccupied building and the doors weren't locked.

The Sheriff didn't say they broke into the building. He said they're "occupying it". They may have broken into it, but until someone says they broke a lock or knocked out windows or tore open a door with a crow-bar or however they committed the crime of "breaking and entering" or "broke into" a locked facility, I'm for giving them the benefit of the doubt, even though I don't agree with what they're doing, it may well be a perfectly legal protest on public property.

As per usual anything you say has to be fact

and anything anyone else, or the media says has to be wrong?

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

As per usual anything you say has to be fact

and anything anyone else, or the media says has to be wrong?

Well, no, JohnDoe2. Just tell me how they "broke in" before you tell me they committed "breaking and entering". That's a pretty essential element of a breaking and entering charge is how they broke in. And we know CNN is dishonest and sloppy as hell, so why stand up for them instead of my point?

Militiamen In Burns, Oregon Break Into Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Building

by Kimberley Freda and John Sepulvado OPB | Jan. 2, 2016 6:23 p.m. | Updated: Jan. 3, 2016 12:51 p.m.

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Embattled Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy told OPB that approximately 150 militiamen occupied the Malheur National Widlife Refuge Building on Saturday evening.

Other sources suggested the number was closer to 15 militiamen inside the building. Ammon Bundy, the spokesperson of the militia group, declined to confirm how many people were there.

The militiamen are in Burns, Oregon to support Dwight Hammond Jr. and his son, Steven Hammond. They’re ranchers convicted of arson, who are due to report to prison Monday.

The militiamen broke into the federal building with supplies, including food and a generator. Cliven Bundy spoke to his son, Ammon Bundy, on the phone after they occupied the building.

“He told me that they were there for the long run. I guess they figured they’re going to be there for whatever time it takes—and I don’t know what that means,” Bundy said. “I asked him, ‘Well how long can ya, how long you going to stand out there?’ He just told me it was for long term.”

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The Hammonds have said they will report to prison Monday for a five-year sentence. Bundy said his son felt obligated to intervene on behalf of the Hammonds.

“That’s not exactly what I thought should happen, but I didn’t know what to do,” Bundy said. “You know, if the Hammonds wouldn’t stand, if the sheriff didn’t stand, then, you know, the people had to do something. And I guess this is what they did decide to do. I wasn’t in on that.”Militiamen gathered in the parking lot of a Safeway grocery store Saturday morning, before taking to the streets of Burns. The group traveled Court Avenue to the sheriff’s office, then to the Hammonds’ home.

Dwight Hammond greeted the marchers.
“Remember, this is not about me. It’s about this country,” he said.

Many of the marchers later congregated at the Harney County Fairgrounds, before some diverted to the wildlife refuge.

Law enforcement took a laid back approach to the demonstration: Neither Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward or Oregon State Police made their presence known throughout the day. Both declined to comment for this story.

http://www.opb.org/news/article/mili...fuge-building/

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Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

As per usual anything you say has to be fact

and anything anyone else, or the media says has to be wrong?

A good portion of what the media says is garbage, especially the stuff about global warming and illegal immigration.

Burns, Oregon residents' message to militia: 'Go away'

Donna Edwards: Media treats white militants better than black activists

Rep. Donna F. Edwards (D-Md.), who is running for the U.S. Senate, on Monday accused the media of a racial double standard in covering the armed anti-government activists who are occupying a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon.

The group took over a federal building at the refuge Saturday to protest the treatment of a pair of local ranchers who were convicted of arson on federal land. Edwards said in a statement that the activists should be called “lawbreaking . . . militants” and that they are being judged differently than black activists who have demonstrated throughout the country over the past 18 months as part of the Black Lives Matter movement.

“I am deeply troubled by the media portrayal of the events in Oregon and the armed takeover of a federal wildlife refuge,” Edwards said in a statement. “Since the beginning of the Black Lives Matter movement, activists . . . have been referred to variously as ‘thugs,’ ‘criminals,’ and ‘drug users.’ To the contrary, most of these protests and protesters have been peaceful, and organizers have sought and obtained permission to peaceably assemble in exercise of their Constitutional rights. But in Oregon, a group of armed men illegally occupying a federal building have been referred to as an ‘armed militia,’ or simply ‘occupiers,’ as though that behavior is acceptable in a nation of laws. What is happening in Oregon is not protest sanctioned by the Constitution, it is lawbreaking.”

Without naming specific news organizations, Edwards said in her statement that the media “have a responsibility to avoid language that paints these armed militants in a positive light.”

She also argued that a nonwhite group would never be allowed to seize control of government property in this way. “One could not imagine a group of armed black men taking over an unoccupied federal building in one of our nation’s cities as they have in Oregon,” she said. “It is time to tell that tough truth.”

Asked for specific examples of media bias, Edwards spokesman Benjamin Gerdes cited a comment by CNN’s Don Lemon during Black Lives Matter protests in Ferguson, Mo., that “obviously there is the smell of marijuana in the air.” He also described Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly comparing Black Lives Matter activists to Nazis and remarks by other Fox News hosts who called the protesters “criminal” and “a hate group.”

Gerdes also referred to the repeated use of the word “thug” to describe rioters in Baltimore after the death in police custody of 25-year-old Freddie Gray last spring. The mayor of Baltimore used the word, although she later apologized. In addition, Gerdes pointed to news stories by a variety of outlets that connected a rise in murder rates in several cities with Black Lives Matter protests.

The media have struggled with how to describe the Oregon occupiers, as The Washington Post’s Paul Farhi has written. Major news outlets, he reported, were avoiding the term “ ‘terrorist’ . . . saying it was unclear that the group’s action was designed to terrorize or harm anyone.”

Sen. Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.) wrote Monday on Twitter that “it’s time these criminals get to occupy another federal facility: prison.” The FBI says it will work with local and state authorities to seek “a peaceful resolution to the situation.”
Edwards, an African American, is running against Rep. Chris Van Hollen, who is white, for the Democratic nomination to replace Sen. Barbara A. Mikulski (D-Md.), who is retiring.

There are no black women serving in the U.S. Senate, and the congresswoman has repeatedly argued that she would bring sorely needed diversity to Congress’s upper chamber.
In an op-ed for The Post in April, she said that as a black mother she was “moved” by the protests against police brutality and “disgusted” by looting in Baltimore and Ferguson.

Donna Edwards: Media treats white militants better than black activists | Maryland | U.S. News Hub - 1/5/2016

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