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Man stabbed, beheaded on Greyhound bus

"I don't think the guy knew him at all . . . the poor guy, he didn't see it coming"

Gabrielle Giroday and Ian Hitchen, CanWest News Service
Published: Thursday, July 31, 2008

BRANDON, Man. - Thirty-six passengers of a Greyhound bus travelling from Edmonton to Winnipeg Wednesday night watched in horror as a fellow passenger reportedly stabbed another man sleeping next to him, eventually decapitating him and waving the man's severed head.

"He didn't do anything to provoke the guy. They guy just took a knife out and stabbed him, started stabbing him like crazy and cut his head off," said Garnet Caton, 36, a passenger.

The bus made an emergency stop, and passengers fled in terror onto the Trans-Canada Highway while the bus's driver and a driver of a nearby truck shut the crazed man inside the bus with the victim. Passengers say they stood outside the bus and watched through the window, horrified, as the man disfigured the victim's body.



The RCMP is investigating a stabbing on a Greyhound bus that was heading eastbound on the Trans-Canada Highway in Manitoba from Edmonton. The stabbing occurred on the bus 18 km west of Portage la Prairie Wednesday, July 31, 2008, around 11 p.m. One person is dead. The eastbound lane of Highway 1 was closed at 8:53 a.m.
Ken Gigliotti, Winnipeg Free Press

Caton and others said once they escaped the bus, they prevented the attacker from getting off the bus by threatening him with makeshift weapons - a hammer and a metal bar.

"We were telling him, 'Stay put, stay put, stay there, don't try to come out.' He tried to get the bus working and the bus driver disabled the bus somehow in the back, I'm not sure how he did it, and at that point, I think the police showed up," he said, adding officers rushed them away.

"Some people were puking, some people were crying, other people were in shock . . . everybody was running, screaming off the bus."

Caton described the man who attacked the passenger as about six feet tall, 200 pounds, with a bald head and wearing sunglasses. He seemed oblivious to others when the stabbing occurred, said Caton.

Caton said he was struck by how calm the man was. He just walked up to the front of the bus and dropped the head, Caton said.

Caton said the victim boarded in Edmonton, was Aboriginal in appearance, and was wearing hip-hop clothing, and appeared to be a young man around 20 years of age.

"When we saw the head, we knew he was dead," he said. "I don't think the guy knew him at all. I think he was really crazy ... the poor guy, he didn't see it coming."

By 10:30 p.m., the eastbound bus was stopped on the highway about 10 kilometres east of Portage la Prairie, Man., surrounded by RCMP cruisers. An RCMP spokesman confirmed on scene a major incident had occurred, but would not elaborate.

Two yellow school buses were brought in to the closed-off stretch of highway for passengers to sit in while the standoff between officers and the man inside the bus proceeded for hours.

The passengers were later taken to Brandon to be interviewed by police and to stay overnight at a hotel there.

Crisis counsellors were also at the hotel to provide support to the passengers, and counsellors could be seen chatting with them outside the hotel as groups went out to local stores for snacks or to smoke cigarettes.

One small boy, who was with an adult man and woman, was given a plush teddy bear by a crisis health worker.

Another young man from Nova Scotia sat outside the Brandon hotel smoking around 3 a.m. Visibly shaken, he said RCMP had taken 36 witnesses in for questioning into a detachment approximately 100 kilometres east. He said later: "I felt bad that all the young people and old people had to see that."

The man, who did not want his name used, said the victim of the stabbing had been sleeping before the attack.

Other passengers said that the two men were sitting in the rear of the bus and the stabbing victim was listening to music through his headphones. The men were both sitting in the back of the bus, and the attack appeared to be unprovoked.

"The first thing I heard was something like a terrible type (of) yowl and that was from the guy who got stabbed," said an elderly woman on the bus, from Winnipeg.

The woman and her adult daughter said they were three or four rows in front of the suspect when the attack began.

"(My daughter said) 'Oh my God' and everybody else started screaming," she said. "They had terror in their eyes."

Passengers said there was a rush of people toward the front of the bus to get off.

A truck driver who saw the ruckus then jumped to the rescue as he and the driver tried to disable the vehicle and keep the man from exiting, as law enforcement officers rushed to the scene, the standoff began. An RCMP spokesman could not be reached to confirm the precise time the man was taken into custody or further details.

Two other passengers on the bus, a 22-year-old man and 21-year-old woman, from France, said they were heading to Winnipeg after visiting the woman's father in Whitehorse. The 22-year-old man said in French that he saw a man holding a long knife repeatedly stab another passenger. He and his girlfriend said they were shocked by the attack, and the isolation in the middle of the prairies when it occurred.

"There was nowhere to go," she said.

Manitoba RCMP Const. Dave Higgs confirmed Wednesday that there was a major incident on the bus - which was en route to Winnipeg from Edmonton - but he would not provide details. He would not give any further details.

Abby Wambaugh, a Greyhound spokeswoman in Dallas, Tex., confirmed this morning that there was an incident, but would not describe what exactly happened.

"There was an incident on board one of our buses, but I don't want to compromise the investigation," she told Canwest News Service. "Specific details would need to be confirmed by the police and we're co-operating with them."



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THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM IS VERY UNSAFE FOR WE HAVE ILLEGAL CRIMINAL ALIENS COMING FROM EVERY CORNER OF THE WORLD ADDING TO THE CRAZIES ALREADY, HERE IN AMERICA

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

Yea, since guns are banned in canada any criminal with a gun or even just a knife can go on rampages without anyone being able to stop it safely.

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Yea, only the citizen is left without protection. The criminal can still find a a way to get his weapons. Banning guns only keeps them from law abiding citizens, NOT THE CRIMINALS!

What is this world coming to. Everything is geared to protect the criminal, NOT the law abiding citizen!!!!

and it's all coming your way AmeriKa ... this is what happens when you let your politicians get out of control ... just like here in the good ole "Late Great" USA

AirborneSapper7 wrote:

and it's all coming your way AmeriKa ... this is what happens when you let your politicians get out of control ... just like here in the good ole "Late Great" USA

Personally, I wish you wouldn't insult my country by calling it "AmeriKa." Furthermore, just call it a hunch if you will, I doubt the political state of Canada had anything to do with this heinous murder.

I read on atlasshrugs that there has been a sharp increase in brutal gang violence in that area. There are three main gangs and none show any sign of remorse or conscience. It isn't, according to her post, Islamic or Latino in origin.

The idea that these folks might be from Guatemala has creedence. Yet we must remember, that culture makes us who we are, not race. If we do not direct our culture, even the whitest of folks can absorb the most brutal of cultural traits.

Multiculturalists think that all cultures are equal and diversity is epiphenomenal. They also undermine our ability to teach values and pride in the West. All is equal, progress hasn't happened, they tell us.

Culturists know that if we do not take pride in our cultivation of the idea of respect for individuals and life, no default of human nature will save us from such attacks.

My new video on Native American and Aztec brutality covers this subject. Check it at - www.culturism.us

Police tape: Canada bus killer ate victim's flesh

1:00 AM

TORONTO (AP) -- A police officer at the scene of a grisly beheading on a Canadian bus reported seeing the attacker hacking off pieces of the victim's body and eating them, according to a police tape leaked on the Internet Saturday.

In the tape of radio transmissions, a Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer refers to the attacker as "Badger" and says he is armed with a knife and scissors and is "defiling the body at the front of the bus as we speak."

On the tape, which lasts about 80 seconds, officers continue to detail the attacker's movements until one reports, "Badger's at the back of the bus, hacking off pieces and eating it."

The RCMP described the tapes as "operational police communications and, as such, are not meant for public consumption." Police said permission had not been given to use the radio transmission, which was posted on LiveLeak.com and picked up by other Web sites.

Officers were responding to a desolate stretch of the TransCanada Highway about 12 miles from Portage La Prairie, Manitoba, after the bloody attack late Wednesday on the bus traveling from Edmonton, Alberta to Winnipeg, Manitoba.

Vince Weiguang Li, 40, faces second-degree murder charges for the murder of a 22-year-old man, who friends and family identified as Tim McLean. Police have not confirmed the victim's identity.

Passengers said they had just reboarded the bus following a break when the suspect -- for no apparent reason -- stabbed the man sitting next to him dozens of times as passengers fled in horror. He then severed the man's head, displayed it and began hacking at the body.

Li's employer said in an interview Saturday that he was shocked to learn that his "model employee" had been accused of the grisly attack. Vincent Augert, an independent contractor who distributes newspapers in Edmonton, said that Li was one of his most reliable carriers.

"He was very punctual and always cleanly dressed," he told The Associated Press. "He was a very nice, polite guy. We would've had no reason to let him go before all this happened."

Augert said Li had worked for him since last July and caused no problems.

"I had no odd suspicions about him at all," said Augert.

Augert said that Li called him two weeks ago to say he needed a day or two off to go to Winnipeg for a job interview at the end of July. He said Li called him back and left a message with the dates, but never followed up after that.

"That was unusual for him not to call back and then when he didn't show up for work on Tuesday we got worried," said Augert, who said it was sometimes difficult to understand Li because he spoke quickly and had a strong Chinese accent.

Augert said he called Li's cell phone on Thursday and his wife answered. She told him that she hadn't heard from Li, who had told her he had to leave for a few days because of a family emergency.

Li, who shuffled into a courtroom Friday in Portage la Prairie with his head bowed and feet shackled, appeared before the court without a lawyer. He did not reply when the judge asked him whether he was going to get a lawyer, and only nodded slightly when asked whether he was exercising his right not to speak. He was not required to enter a plea.

The prosecutor asked for a psychiatric assessment, but the judge said he wanted to give Li a chance to meet with his lawyer. Li's next court appearance is scheduled for Tuesday. The RCMP said Li has no known criminal record.

McLean's family spoke publicly Saturday for the first time since the brutal attack.

"He was a little guy with a heart bigger than you could know," McLean's uncle, Alex McLean, told reporters in a prepared statement from the family.

"Tim spent his life traveling and meeting new people and always saw the good in everyone. He had the most infectious giggle. You could hear him laughing a mile away," said Alex McLean.

"It didn't matter what kind of a day you were having, because when you heard him laugh, you couldn't help but join in."

William Caron, 23, said McLean was quiet, though he liked to socialize with friends. He was small -- about 5-foot-4 and 130 pounds -- and tended to stay away from a fight, Caron said.

"All the time I've known Tim, he's never been the type of guy to get into a fight with. He always kept to himself when there's strangers around," Caron said.

The killing has spawned a vast online community, with tens of thousands showing support for McLean's family and expressing disgust for the attack.

One of the many groups on the social networking site Facebook has accumulated over 40,000 members with more than 2,000 wall posts.

"It's something right out of a horror movie," said Sheena in Edmonton.

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Wonder why no one helped? Shocked! Afraid! Mad!

Man who beheaded Canadian bus passenger 'fit' to stand trial
Posted : Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:00:18 GMT
Author : DPA
Category : America (World)
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Washington - The Chinese immigrant who brutally stabbed, beheaded and then ate the flesh of his seatmate on a Greyhound Canada bus in July, is "fit" to stand trial, news reports said Tuesday. Vincent Li, 40, was charged with second-degree murder after the gruesome killing of carnival worker Tim McLean, 22.

"He is fit to stand trial. There is enough evidence to put him on trial for that charge," defence lawyer Gordon Bates was quoted as saying by the Toronto Star.

The trial, expected to start November 6, will be based on whether Li can be held criminally responsible for this actions. In August, the court ordered a forensic psychological assessment to determine whether Li was fit to stand trial for the unprovoked murder.

Given the media attention the case has attracted, the report will not be made public as it could influence jurors.

"If someone committed an offence while suffering a disease of the mind and they don't know their actions are wrong, they can't be held criminally responsible," the Star quoted defence lawyer Alan Libman as saying.

If it is determined that Li was not criminally responsible for the murder then he will be institutionalised and subjected to annual reviews by a mental health board.

When he first appeared in court in August, Li only said: "Please kill me." Lawyer Bates said Monday his client was not under suicide watch.

Li stabbed McLean with a large hunting knife at least 40 times, as 36 passengers watched. The driver pulled over to allow the others to disembark, and they stood on the highway watching the grisly murder unfold as they waited for police to arrive.

According to witnesses, Li beheaded McLean and walked to the front of the bus holding the head.



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Sick!