Thread: DRUG DECRIMINALIZATION YES OR NO

Mexico has legalized everything is small amounts. I guess we can watch and maybe follow their lead:
Starts off stupid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoBTojKBS38&feature=fvsr

Ron Paul:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BruNnqtodSo

Ron Paul in 1988:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEhQepWZ3LA

Cartel hit by legalizing poll Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV6lmnxm9mI

Under cover cops speak out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZm1NZ5d ... re=related

Cowboy cop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxB2cF_R ... re=channel

Willie Nellson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqaIFg2- ... re=channel

Conservative judge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6lzFoNa ... re=channel

Baltimore narc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ZyZFjW ... re=channel

U.S. Marshal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0PX1bh4 ... re=channel

Seattle Police chief
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWcGjf1i ... re=channel

Shocking stats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWcGjf1i ... re=channel

Last but not least...LOU DOBBS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ALFmIj_ ... re=channel

Originally Posted by sk1951

Mexico has legalized everything is small amounts. I guess we can watch and maybe follow their lead:

Yes they have legalized small user amounts. But the sales are still in the hands of gangsters. That has to stop....to stop the violence and killing. If they dont legalize it, the violence will continue. Legalization for small amounts just keeps the users out of jail. Its a good start, but without adequate treatment it will not release the addict from their daily hell. They have to just legalize it. Get rid of the gangsters and treat the users.

Originally Posted by Judy

I thought about this since the term of decriminalization arose, and yes, we need to decriminalize, which is why we need a civil code of laws, not a criminal code, governing the recreational drug industry, but at the same time we have to legalize so we convert a dangerous crime-infested irresponsible foreign black market into a safe no crime responsible domestic legal market controlled 100% by US citizens through government regulations. I've researched the growing of the raw products and we have locations within our US 50 states and territories such that we can grow every product our people want to buy, from the coca plant for cocaine to poppies for the dreaded heroin.

When you legalize it, then isnt it automatically decriminalized? If it is legal it is no longer a crime. Of course it would have to be regulated like any other product. But it would not need to be decriminalized unless decriminalization was used as the first step to legalization. But I think they should just go straight for legalization. This has gone on long enough.

Originally Posted by redpony353

Originally Posted by sk1951

Mexico has legalized everything is small amounts. I guess we can watch and maybe follow their lead:

Yes they have legalized small user amounts. But the sales are still in the hands of gangsters. That has to stop....to stop the violence and killing. If they dont legalize it, the violence will continue. Legalization for small amounts just keeps the users out of jail. Its a good start, but without adequate treatment it will not release the addict from their daily hell. They have to just legalize it. Get rid of the gangsters and treat the users.

I'm sorry that I don't understand the point. What would be the diff here then from Mexico? But as you say...anything is better than what we have. If nothing else we could empty the jails of people whos only crime was self abuse.

Federal Decriminalization Bill Introduced -- Bill Would End Federal Authority to Arrest Adults for Pot Possession.

H.R. 5843:
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7581

Where it is now
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-5843

Originally Posted by sk1951

Originally Posted by redpony353

Originally Posted by sk1951

Mexico has legalized everything is small amounts. I guess we can watch and maybe follow their lead:

Yes they have legalized small user amounts. But the sales are still in the hands of gangsters. That has to stop....to stop the violence and killing. If they dont legalize it, the violence will continue. Legalization for small amounts just keeps the users out of jail. Its a good start, but without adequate treatment it will not release the addict from their daily hell. They have to just legalize it. Get rid of the gangsters and treat the users.

I'm sorry that I don't understand the point. What would be the diff here then from Mexico? But as you say...anything is better than what we have. If nothing else we could empty the jails of people whos only crime was self abuse.

The point is that they have only legalized small amounts for personal use. They have not legalized the sales end of it. By not legalizing the sales end of it they leave it in the hands of gangsters that kill people all the time and fight for turf. If the sales end is legalized, it takes it out of the hands of gangsters, and puts it into the hands of legit business. It becomes regulated and taxed. There is no difference between here and Mexico. We have the same problems Mexico has, but not quite to the same extent. Mexico has legalized personal use only. But gangsters are still selling it....so they need to go the extra step and legalize it totally....like alcohol and cigarettes.

Originally Posted by sk1951

Federal Decriminalization Bill Introduced -- Bill Would End Federal Authority to Arrest Adults for Pot Possession.

H.R. 5843:
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7581

Where it is now
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-5843

Right. But who would still be selling the pot? The gangsters. Great that pot users wont be sent to prison....but the problem is bigger than that. Decriminalizing personal use means that pot users will get a ticket and they have to pay the ticket. Why should they have to do that? The sellers are the ones making beaucoup bucks selling it. And in the meantime they kill people too. If you could just buy it at ...say....Walgreens, the whole environment around it would change. It would be taxed and regulated. And no more gangsters selling drugs. It takes away their life blood....money. Without drug money they would lose much of the power they have.

America responsible for the world drug violence.

As the worlds leader in drug consumption and the biggest focus point for drop off of drugs...Columbia asks that the US decriminalizes to stop the violence in their country. We are not having a problem just here...we are infecting the world with our illegal consumption.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/spl/decriminalize-drugs.html

Originally Posted by redpony353

Originally Posted by Judy

I thought about this since the term of decriminalization arose, and yes, we need to decriminalize, which is why we need a civil code of laws, not a criminal code, governing the recreational drug industry, but at the same time we have to legalize so we convert a dangerous crime-infested irresponsible foreign black market into a safe no crime responsible domestic legal market controlled 100% by US citizens through government regulations. I've researched the growing of the raw products and we have locations within our US 50 states and territories such that we can grow every product our people want to buy, from the coca plant for cocaine to poppies for the dreaded heroin.

When you legalize it, then isnt it automatically decriminalized? If it is legal it is no longer a crime. Of course it would have to be regulated like any other product. But it would not need to be decriminalized unless decriminalization was used as the first step to legalization. But I think they should just go straight for legalization. This has gone on long enough.

Oh I agree go straight to legalization but under a civil code instead of a criminal code as I've suggested previously, which achieves the decriminalization of the industry entirely. Even when it's legalized, there is a decision to be made concerning the penalties for breaching the regulations. I think these should all be handled as civil code violations, not criminal, so the penalties are civil involving fines, loss of license and business, not jail time. Otherwise we create a new set of cops and robbers scenarios that we want to eliminate entirely.

And with the FairTax passed, it will be very easy for states to monitor these establishments, since they'll have FairTax agents covering all the retail sellers and auditing the growers and manufacturers to ensure they're complying with their FairTax exemption and not selling direct to customers. Some may be both growers and manufacturers and sellers, either way the FairTax agents will be on top of it. Then if there's a complaint or if something looks suspicious then they call in the drug specialists to investigate.

That's another reason why it's so important that legalization occur simultaneously with passing the FairTax. They are inter-locked.

Originally Posted by sk1951

America responsible for the world drug violence.

As the worlds leader in drug consumption and the biggest focus point for drop off of drugs...Columbia asks that the US decriminalizes to stop the violence in their country. We are not having a problem just here...we are infecting the world with our illegal consumption.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/spl/decriminalize-drugs.html

We're infecting the world because we depend on other countries for our supply, which is absurd when we have the ability to produce and control them here and can stop sending billions of of tax money we don't even have to Colombia to "fight the war on drugs" from there. It's assinine, it's just been a way for countries to not only steal our money and flood us with millions of illegal aliens running their drugs, they've even found a way to blame US for the way they earn their drug profits. Shut them down and shut them up. American will grow, manufacture and sell their own drugs to their own citizens. End of story. Now whatever "drug problem" Colombia, Mexico, Afghanistan or any other outfit nation has won't be blamed on US as a means to line their pockets with foreign aid to fight the drug cartels which just ends up in the pockets of the cartels anyway.

When we legalize drugs in the US, we shut down the illegal criminal drug trade .. world-wide and can tell these nations "aaawww, shut up".